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Navigate imported track with turn by turn voice directions
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I`ve seen some discussion about this, but haven`t seen it as a suggested feature. That is the ability to import a track and navigate it using turn by turn directions.
I like this idea 
Please, please add a comment if you can realize this feature :-)
Please, please add a comment if you can realize this feature :-)
Sorry Jurlui, I don`t know if this can be simply realized, because for me it`s still little bit mystery (how from list of points without any other information, create some navigation orders) anyway when this idea will contain more votes, I can promise I`ll look at it ...
Sorry Jurlui, I don`t know if this can be simply realized, because for me it`s still little bit mystery (how from list of points without any other information, create some navigation orders) anyway when this idea will contain more votes, I can promise I`ll look at it ...
Dear Menion, just have a look at osmAnd it works really good, just having some info about in 100m turn left... Best wishes from Italy!
Dear Menion, just have a look at osmAnd it works really good, just having some info about in 100m turn left... Best wishes from Italy!
Of course it cannot replace a fully featured onboard turn by turn navigation calculation for car trips but as we know this isn`t available from mapsforge.
And with the current proposal Locus would go a really useful step towards this.
It will be useful for routes where no useful information can be downloaded from the routing services (e.g. offroad bicycle or hiking tours) as well as in situations where you need to plan a route but have no internet access.
This will really increase the value of Locus navigation feature which was a bit disregarded in the last months but asked for by not only few users.
+1 by me
Of course it cannot replace a fully featured onboard turn by turn navigation calculation for car trips but as we know this isn`t available from mapsforge.
And with the current proposal Locus would go a really useful step towards this.
It will be useful for routes where no useful information can be downloaded from the routing services (e.g. offroad bicycle or hiking tours) as well as in situations where you need to plan a route but have no internet access.
This will really increase the value of Locus navigation feature which was a bit disregarded in the last months but asked for by not only few users.
+1 by me
Though it`s not exactly the same idea it has a lot of similarities with this one:
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears
which already has a lot of votes.
Though it`s not exactly the same idea it has a lot of similarities with this one:
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears
which already has a lot of votes.
i don`t know how,
but i think that`s another big step for locus to the top, if this can be realized...
so +1
i don`t know how,
but i think that`s another big step for locus to the top, if this can be realized...
so +1
Isn`t this the same topic as in "Questions": "Can I navigate along an (imported) track?" So with the comments there, at the moment there are 20 people who like this idea. Well, Menion, isn`t that a great incentive to work on it? It would make Locus even better than it is already!
Isn`t this the same topic as in "Questions": "Can I navigate along an (imported) track?" So with the comments there, at the moment there are 20 people who like this idea. Well, Menion, isn`t that a great incentive to work on it? It would make Locus even better than it is already!
navigate along imported track with turn by turn voice directions.
Only Garmin has a good way of guidance along an imported track. Tomtom has very limited points for a route.
If this would work for Locus... Many (motor) cyclists would want this!
navigate along imported track with turn by turn voice directions.
Only Garmin has a good way of guidance along an imported track. Tomtom has very limited points for a route.
If this would work for Locus... Many (motor) cyclists would want this!
Michiel, I`m interested to try the Garmin app you are referring to. Is it the Garmin Navigator that only runs on Telstra devices? The best thing I`ve found for navigating custom routes is Co-Pilot, but it won`t import tracks either.
Michiel, I`m interested to try the Garmin app you are referring to. Is it the Garmin Navigator that only runs on Telstra devices? The best thing I`ve found for navigating custom routes is Co-Pilot, but it won`t import tracks either.
I ran Garmin on a Nokia N71 with symbian and also on a windows mobile telepfone. But sadly Garmin is heading the wrong direction. They have the software only for the Iphone now. I realy do not know if it is possible to import routes with it. They have made Garmin for only a few dedicated android phones (Asus). One I`ve had in my hands. The software looked familiar, but I did not find a possiblity to import routes. That is the reason I did not buy it.
My colleage motor friends have dedecated navigation hardware from Garmin and Tomtom. Garmin is the better choise (sorry Theo).
Last year I had my Samsung Galaxy instead of the Nokia with me on the motor bike. I used the program Oruxmaps. With this app I was able to import the maps and display the routes, as a line on top of it. I had no lady telling me left or right but I was the only one who could find the right direction when the other ladies (Garmin,Tomtom) were confused! I made a big mistake to buy the app Twonav. It is realy expensive and it`s crap. Useles for navigation by turn. I have tried it but it makes big mistakes! It want`s you to pass the specific route point in the route. So I had to drive back all the time!! LOL I must say that it looks easy but to make a proper navigation tool, You have to make the software somehow intelligent. The software needs to understand you want to continue the route in the direction of the route, not folloing the route points only.
I hope the Locus guys take a close look at the Garmin while programming!
I ran Garmin on a Nokia N71 with symbian and also on a windows mobile telepfone. But sadly Garmin is heading the wrong direction. They have the software only for the Iphone now. I realy do not know if it is possible to import routes with it. They have made Garmin for only a few dedicated android phones (Asus). One I`ve had in my hands. The software looked familiar, but I did not find a possiblity to import routes. That is the reason I did not buy it.
My colleage motor friends have dedecated navigation hardware from Garmin and Tomtom. Garmin is the better choise (sorry Theo).
Last year I had my Samsung Galaxy instead of the Nokia with me on the motor bike. I used the program Oruxmaps. With this app I was able to import the maps and display the routes, as a line on top of it. I had no lady telling me left or right but I was the only one who could find the right direction when the other ladies (Garmin,Tomtom) were confused! I made a big mistake to buy the app Twonav. It is realy expensive and it`s crap. Useles for navigation by turn. I have tried it but it makes big mistakes! It want`s you to pass the specific route point in the route. So I had to drive back all the time!! LOL I must say that it looks easy but to make a proper navigation tool, You have to make the software somehow intelligent. The software needs to understand you want to continue the route in the direction of the route, not folloing the route points only.
I hope the Locus guys take a close look at the Garmin while programming!
Interesting. Sounds like the cycling and motorcycle communities should get together and fund something that is an ideal routing tool for Android. Co-Pilot does well with recalculating routes if you deviate except when you have waypoints set to customize the route, then it does try to route you back to each of them before letting you proceed. It does have voice directions, but it`s not perfect, I`d be interested to hear if you find any other good options. Oruxmaps looks promising, but besides no voice nav the manual route creation won`t automatically follow roads.
Interesting. Sounds like the cycling and motorcycle communities should get together and fund something that is an ideal routing tool for Android. Co-Pilot does well with recalculating routes if you deviate except when you have waypoints set to customize the route, then it does try to route you back to each of them before letting you proceed. It does have voice directions, but it`s not perfect, I`d be interested to hear if you find any other good options. Oruxmaps looks promising, but besides no voice nav the manual route creation won`t automatically follow roads.
Hey Guys, maybe you didn`t recognize that this feature is going to be implemented.
As it is quite similar to another feature, the discussion was continued in the other thread: http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears
Please follow there and help getting this feature finalized by testing and comments how to improve!
Hey Guys, maybe you didn`t recognize that this feature is going to be implemented.
As it is quite similar to another feature, the discussion was continued in the other thread: http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears
Please follow there and help getting this feature finalized by testing and comments how to improve!
be sure - i`m the nightmare of the developer. call me bug finder - after next weekend... ;))
be sure - i`m the nightmare of the developer. call me bug finder - after next weekend... ;))
yes, I can confirm it :))
yes, I can confirm it :))
My maybe unrealistic hope was to get something released latest on Saturday because I`ll be going abroad starting Sunday and hoped to use this exceptional feature :)
My maybe unrealistic hope was to get something released latest on Saturday because I`ll be going abroad starting Sunday and hoped to use this exceptional feature :)
Sounds neat, but what I really want is navigation by roads with spoken road names like what google navigation does except with custom routes. I`ve been using Co-pilot Live for this, but it`s not perfect, and doesn`t allow importing.
Sounds neat, but what I really want is navigation by roads with spoken road names like what google navigation does except with custom routes. I`ve been using Co-pilot Live for this, but it`s not perfect, and doesn`t allow importing.
Sorry umbilicalbungee,
but what i really NOT need is a car navigation. My car has one included ;)
I need a offroad/offline solution.
Sorry umbilicalbungee,
but what i really NOT need is a car navigation. My car has one included ;)
I need a offroad/offline solution.
Right, but I was actually the one that started this thread, please don`t hijack it. I`m glad that your idea is getting developed though.
My purpose is not for car navigation, but custom road routing for cycling, which I have yet to find a good solution for.
Right, but I was actually the one that started this thread, please don`t hijack it. I`m glad that your idea is getting developed though.
My purpose is not for car navigation, but custom road routing for cycling, which I have yet to find a good solution for.
c`mon guys :)
umbilicalbungee, if you into your first post wrote this
"Sounds neat, but what I really want is navigation by roads with spoken road names like what google navigation does except with custom routes. I`ve been using Co-pilot Live for this, but it`s not perfect, and doesn`t allow importing."
then I should immediately close this topic as "not planned". Sorry but this is not currently possible. I cannot read some street names painted on drawn map, I cannot simply create routable track from some point chaos imported from GPX file.
Idea I`m trying implement is that Locus will use Text-to-speech engine. When you ride, I`m checking some small part of route before current guided point and compare shape (mainly angle) to previous part of track. Thanks to this Locus say direction and angle commands. Nothing too much sophisticated now, but when this will work fine, it should be enough to warn you about some incomming crosses when you ride a bike etc.
If you really need something that will really navigate you along some imported GPX file will all possible informations, this is not currently possible in Locus. And btw. I also not plan to create from Locus real navigation tool. This is still a bonus feature to main map system which Locus remain.
c`mon guys :)
umbilicalbungee, if you into your first post wrote this
"Sounds neat, but what I really want is navigation by roads with spoken road names like what google navigation does except with custom routes. I`ve been using Co-pilot Live for this, but it`s not perfect, and doesn`t allow importing."
then I should immediately close this topic as "not planned". Sorry but this is not currently possible. I cannot read some street names painted on drawn map, I cannot simply create routable track from some point chaos imported from GPX file.
Idea I`m trying implement is that Locus will use Text-to-speech engine. When you ride, I`m checking some small part of route before current guided point and compare shape (mainly angle) to previous part of track. Thanks to this Locus say direction and angle commands. Nothing too much sophisticated now, but when this will work fine, it should be enough to warn you about some incomming crosses when you ride a bike etc.
If you really need something that will really navigate you along some imported GPX file will all possible informations, this is not currently possible in Locus. And btw. I also not plan to create from Locus real navigation tool. This is still a bonus feature to main map system which Locus remain.
Ok thanks, I know you had to explain that in other threads too. It`s good to get more of an explanation why it`s not possible. I should have been more clear in my initial post. Sorry to be counterproductive and confuse things.
I`m impressed by your continued development of such a robust mapping app. Keep up the good work. You can use this thread how you see fit.
I do wonder about the importing of gpx files though. You already have the follow road function for creating routes to navigate. Could you not just read in the first point as the start, and then use the follow road function to route to the next point, and the next, until the end of the route?
Ok thanks, I know you had to explain that in other threads too. It`s good to get more of an explanation why it`s not possible. I should have been more clear in my initial post. Sorry to be counterproductive and confuse things.
I`m impressed by your continued development of such a robust mapping app. Keep up the good work. You can use this thread how you see fit.
I do wonder about the importing of gpx files though. You already have the follow road function for creating routes to navigate. Could you not just read in the first point as the start, and then use the follow road function to route to the next point, and the next, until the end of the route?
As well as similar topic "Guiding with your ears", I`m marking this as implemented.
Both new features need improvements, but basically after some testing that I and few people (who reported me results) did, seems it`s quite usable
Sumarize:
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using is done by "menu > settings > guiding > tracks > notification settings"
and enabled "Notify when switching to another point" and "Text-to-speech"
Future progress:
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I would like to keep this topic to discussion about future improvements
This nice topic http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/ability_to_use_text_to_speech_also_on_simple_track may be as a "How to page", later maybe moved on doku.wiki site
As well as similar topic "Guiding with your ears", I`m marking this as implemented.
Both new features need improvements, but basically after some testing that I and few people (who reported me results) did, seems it`s quite usable
Sumarize:
-------------
using is done by "menu > settings > guiding > tracks > notification settings"
and enabled "Notify when switching to another point" and "Text-to-speech"
Future progress:
----------------------
I would like to keep this topic to discussion about future improvements
This nice topic http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/ability_to_use_text_to_speech_also_on_simple_track may be as a "How to page", later maybe moved on doku.wiki site
Turn by turn voice instruction track guiding, not using the power consuming LCD screen, (in sunny conditions a readability disaster) keeping the phone into the bag for the whole traject, does it work ?
As new user of a Smartphone (1week) and Locus gps I am still in my testing period of this fine gps program. As the manual “guided along track” is not ready for now, I try to find out the possibilities both by reading the forum and real driving tests. My experiences so far.
Mostly a traject is planned with a software program or design and download from website. Download of such a ‘traject design’ is or a “route” or a “track”. But even saved as “track” this seems to be only “ a route in disguise”. A (real) “track” means a more detailed description of the traject with a lot of points (breadcrumps) inline and close to each other. These downloads are: = “Track-routes”. So I converted the same files also in “tracks” containing breadcrumps points every 10 meter, or means this is a = “Track” (breadcrumps).
Tested 2 bicycle trajects.
- an uncomplicated traject.
Covering a larger area, relatively uncomplicated course with left and rights turns not too close to each other in distance.
- a More complicated traject.
Covering a smaller area with some left and right turns relatively close to each other in distance. and with trackruns sometimes close to each other on the map. (simular to city street situations).
Locus Setting used: “Guiding Tracks: auto-select best point” (also tested manual..but prefer auto).
Using file “Track-route”
Notify when too far from track.
Functions reasonable well IF the trackdesign is not too complicated. But this method is not guiding you along the track, it just guides you back when it went wrong ;-). In city environment not always optimal. However fantastic idea and system for guiding back to track ;-)
Notify when switching to another point.
TTS only gives (correct) instructions for not too complicated tracks covering bigger areas. As soon a complicated section arrives it goes wrong. A short combination Right turn closely followed by Left turn (in 50 m zone) with following choice of multiple (2) streets, and guiding was completely lost. Only the first instruction Turn Right is heard, but not the next nearby Turn Left. And Driving into the wrong street out of 2 and leaving the traject “ = followed by complete Silence”.
The only method to correct the driver/user is: look at the map . Not a success.
Using file “Track”.(breadcrump)
Results are somewhat more reliable, but sure not perfect at all. With the complicated traject the guiding sometimes is not functioning at all, or instructions too late or wrong.
Conclusion so far.
The TTS guidance does have a lot of promising potential but for this moment It sure is not that good, to leave that phone in the pocket or handlebar bag. Maybe I still have to learn to use the application but this is what I experienced until now. Driving around without the need to take the phone out of the bag and not looking at the screen was no succes. The most difficult complicated tracks parts are not guided as I thought.
What ‘s wrong or do I expect too much ? Or is only some correct audio TTS guiding possible for uncomplicated simple trajects ? And, oho, I do not expect to hear street names. The system with the clock figures angles indication over 360° is simple and a very clear and compact message. Simply perfect, also for complete off road path/track guiding !
All comment is positively meant...I said: a lot of potential -;)
Willy.
Turn by turn voice instruction track guiding, not using the power consuming LCD screen, (in sunny conditions a readability disaster) keeping the phone into the bag for the whole traject, does it work ?
As new user of a Smartphone (1week) and Locus gps I am still in my testing period of this fine gps program. As the manual “guided along track” is not ready for now, I try to find out the possibilities both by reading the forum and real driving tests. My experiences so far.
Mostly a traject is planned with a software program or design and download from website. Download of such a ‘traject design’ is or a “route” or a “track”. But even saved as “track” this seems to be only “ a route in disguise”. A (real) “track” means a more detailed description of the traject with a lot of points (breadcrumps) inline and close to each other. These downloads are: = “Track-routes”. So I converted the same files also in “tracks” containing breadcrumps points every 10 meter, or means this is a = “Track” (breadcrumps).
Tested 2 bicycle trajects.
- an uncomplicated traject.
Covering a larger area, relatively uncomplicated course with left and rights turns not too close to each other in distance.
- a More complicated traject.
Covering a smaller area with some left and right turns relatively close to each other in distance. and with trackruns sometimes close to each other on the map. (simular to city street situations).
Locus Setting used: “Guiding Tracks: auto-select best point” (also tested manual..but prefer auto).
Using file “Track-route”
Notify when too far from track.
Functions reasonable well IF the trackdesign is not too complicated. But this method is not guiding you along the track, it just guides you back when it went wrong ;-). In city environment not always optimal. However fantastic idea and system for guiding back to track ;-)
Notify when switching to another point.
TTS only gives (correct) instructions for not too complicated tracks covering bigger areas. As soon a complicated section arrives it goes wrong. A short combination Right turn closely followed by Left turn (in 50 m zone) with following choice of multiple (2) streets, and guiding was completely lost. Only the first instruction Turn Right is heard, but not the next nearby Turn Left. And Driving into the wrong street out of 2 and leaving the traject “ = followed by complete Silence”.
The only method to correct the driver/user is: look at the map . Not a success.
Using file “Track”.(breadcrump)
Results are somewhat more reliable, but sure not perfect at all. With the complicated traject the guiding sometimes is not functioning at all, or instructions too late or wrong.
Conclusion so far.
The TTS guidance does have a lot of promising potential but for this moment It sure is not that good, to leave that phone in the pocket or handlebar bag. Maybe I still have to learn to use the application but this is what I experienced until now. Driving around without the need to take the phone out of the bag and not looking at the screen was no succes. The most difficult complicated tracks parts are not guided as I thought.
What ‘s wrong or do I expect too much ? Or is only some correct audio TTS guiding possible for uncomplicated simple trajects ? And, oho, I do not expect to hear street names. The system with the clock figures angles indication over 360° is simple and a very clear and compact message. Simply perfect, also for complete off road path/track guiding !
All comment is positively meant...I said: a lot of potential -;)
Willy.
Willy, I can fully confirm your statements, they are quite similar to mine which were posted in thread http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears where we continued the discussion.
I`m too waiting still for some improvements as you can read there.
Hopefully Menion will find some time to do some changes to make this feature even more useful.
Recently I tried it with a track created with brouter and again it was working quite ok with the exceptions already written in the mentioned thread and written by Willy here.
Willy, I can fully confirm your statements, they are quite similar to mine which were posted in thread http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/guiding_with_your_ears where we continued the discussion.
I`m too waiting still for some improvements as you can read there.
Hopefully Menion will find some time to do some changes to make this feature even more useful.
Recently I tried it with a track created with brouter and again it was working quite ok with the exceptions already written in the mentioned thread and written by Willy here.
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