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Show skitours in vector maps

myneur shared this idea 9 years ago
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Please start to show piste:type = skitour in ski style of vector maps.

You currently show only piste:type = downhill in yellow.

I suggest to show both in light blue and double width than tourist trails and little bit of transparency (if possible) (because the winter tracks in snow are never that strict and they can change a little from year to year). How it is common to show them in winter maps:

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I suggest both downhill and skitour to be the same style. Only indicate the direction for downhill if possible (that is their nature).

There are many skitours in OSM already (much more than downhills). I just realized you don't show them when I attempted to add the ones I tracked there.

Thank you

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Thanks, it makes sense. But I'm not sure about the color. Locus themes have defined different color for piste:type = downhill based on piste:difficulty If you can see yellow color for piste:type = downhill it should be slope for freeride.

So the question is: should be skitour

rendered also based on piste:difficulty tag or should we use only one transparent color?

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What about to use the colors only when the piste:difficulty is set and the light blue otherwise?

The difficulty is typically used only in ski resorts and it makes sense there. I haven't seen them used on skitours or downhills alone yet. The difficulty is changing quickly in the free terrain so it does not even make much sense.

You can check e. g. around Argentière near Chamonix or Zermatt where are both pistes in a ski resort with difficulty set and free skitours with the only tag piste:type = skitour.

Bonus would be to differentiate the downhills by sparse arrows down if possible.

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Well I tried to get some inspiration from other winter maps. I have to say that I like the idea to display skitours in one (probably transparent) color. But I don't want to add some arrows into downhill ways. Additionally downhill are sometimes areas, so it would be complicated to render them properly.

What about render skitours as dotted lines? See OpenSnowmap.org

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So I would personally rather keep the downhills in a same style in light blue as skitours. I find dots confusing for next reasons.


I don't like a OpenStreetMap and derivates styles much because it is hard to understand what those styles mean without seeing the legend. I think the cartographers did a better job in intuitiveness of reading the map and their patterns are used across all the printed maps now. I would try to use similar style.

  • Dotted lines are used for difficult terrain: e. g. via ferrata or MTB tracks not suggested to ride by normal bikes. The dots/interruptions evoke that it is harder to pass than a standard terrain, which is not the case for skitours. E. g. part of the skitours might be super easy while other parts might be possible to pass only by crampons (those would make sense to make dotted to indicate that). But I don't think there is a style for that in OSM already.

If you don't like arrows, I would suggest to give up on differentiating downhills and skitours. It is not that critical. But see pistes here: it might not look weird and it works in an intuitive way that the arrows indicates direction (down). Together with contours and hillshading it makes the map more readable. But I understand areas might be the problem.


Just for an inspiration: another example of everything in one map: summer and winter together and yet it is lucid and readable:

  • line for paths
  • dashed lines for mountainous terrain
  • dotted lines for via ferrata
  • blue lines for winter paths
  • there are even colored summer tracks in a same view

I like these principles: less visible or even interrupted = harder to pass. Blue to differentiate winter snow tracks from summer.

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Note, I haven't seen a downhill as an area yet, which does not mean they don't exist, but just it is probably rare, so I personally would just keep areas without arrows and lines as here.


But it is up to you if to care about it. Even without arrows it is OK.

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You are right. There are pistes as areas e. g. in Zermatt, which the map1.eu don't show but is possible to see on OpenSnowmap.

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Unfortunately, the links very likely doesn't work correctly. I get the google search results not the image itself. Can you please share again the example with "Everything in one map"

I agree with dotted lines - you are right. The dots should be used for harder terrains. So I'll try to prepare some example with skitour as blue lines.

About the downhills - Sometimes are downhills rendered as areas but you're right that in the most cases is downhill only simple way in OSM data. So it would be possible to render arrows as map1.eu does. But all winter maps, that I saw, don't show the arrows in downhill slopes. Maybe maps in your example use arrow. I only want to say that arrows may complicate the readability of map. What do you think?

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Everything together:


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Typical maps don't show pistes at all (because they probably expect you have plans from resorts so it is not need to have it on map) so I don't have examples on arrows on pistes except for the map1.eu. But seeing pistes on map is good when you return from skiroute and the last part back to car is on the piste.


If you struggle to make arrows readable, it is better not to insist on it.

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Thanks for examples... It looks like that we'd need some new Mount theme :) Anyway I'll add skitours in similar way into ski/winter theme.

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Any progress here? Winter is coming!

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Thank you for reminding. Ski theme changed I also change the rendering of routes for nordic skiing (based on discussion with myneur) See the screenshots

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That is awesome. Is the skating really wider there? On my personal style it looks like this. The skating is noticeably wider to indicate you will fit there :)

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Well following types classic+skating|classic;skating|skating|classic has the same width. They are about 30% wider then type=backcountry. Do you suggest to render skating more thicker then rest of types?

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Yes. If whatever contains skating (classic+skating|classic;skating|skating...) is wider than just classic, it indicates that you will be able to go with skating skis there. There is a huge value in it, because you will not be able to go through classic with skating skis, because the track is not just wide enough. And no current ski maps differentiate those two, so you need to call the region info center or search for the information somewhere.

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Hi,

OK implemented :) The skating routes are not soo wide as yours implementation but there is difference between classic and skating. It'll be available in next Locus version

Thank you

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