Using Waypoints in Tracks with Guidance

As you say: Inserted by the track details method:

Points are put in a "free choice" points folder, separated from the track.

Alerts: By the poi alerter.

A non directional alert from any N/S/W/E approach.

Select the 'free choice' points folder:

Points in the folder are set (eye) active and visible on map ?

Poi alerter setting ok ? Double check !

Poi alerter activ ? A previous poi alert state is not memorised !

Poi alerter must be (re)set at every new Locus start !

Was always working in the previous versions...maybe a problem by new version ?

Have to double check, but must go now will report back later.

Hi Alan,

you've got two options:

1) use navigation instead of guidance - navigation alerts about waypoints, about moving off the track, about direction changes

2) create a folder with your waypoints in Points manager and launch POI alert feature (menu >more > POI alert >select your folder)

So are we saying that the POI alert feature can run simultaneous to any guidance or navigation session?

Yes that's right - it's an independent process. Test it ;)

What is the 'free choice' points folder? where is it? How do I locate it and select it?

I think by 'free choice' you mean 'it's my choice' - 'I select it' no? But when I add a waypoint to a track in the waypoints tab, the point is not accessible to the points alert function because it's not in a folder that I can see. Am I missing something? Is there a way to be alerted to a waypoint created on a track? When I delete the track or make the track invisible, the point is deleted or also becomes invisible so it avoids making a folder for every track if you want alerts for points only on that track.. It's not impossible to make it work anyway and I'm grateful to now know this feature. I just want to be clear on it.

OK so it appears that a waypoint created purely for a track and not present in my Data|Points folder at all is included in the POI alerts when the track is set to visible. Also, If you set the track to invisible while the POI alerts is running, you stop getting alerts. When you set it back to visible, the alerts come back. Brilliant! You can choose to be alerted to folders of points or to separately created waypoints on a track. This is excellent!

I've got the POI alerts working - They do, in fact, need to be in a folder (my mistake). But now I have an issue with my voice guidance instructions and nav recalc failing. When the POI alerts are on, it seems that navigation alerts stop (I have to force a manual recalc or leave it in auto-calc) and the guidance voice instructions completely miss corners - there's no warning and no alerts of having missed a turn.

Confirm (As Michal wrote) that both the POI alerter (from a folder points) AND track Navigation are independent functions. POI alerts are not directional wich does mean that as soon as you enter (from N/S/W/E) the set alert area a warning (If set) is 'fired'.

Contrary to track navigation alerts, only triggered (if set) when nearing the navigation waypoint(s) from the correct forward track direction.

Locus Navigate ? Navigate you say, so not guiding...pse confirm. What is the nav track file source ? Can you share a file ? Is it a simple gpx track without integrated navigation waypoint ? Or a tcx course/coursepoints file ? Or a gpx track inclusive integrated navigation waypoints ? At import of that last type: MUST SET "Merge points and track" to be functional for correct directional track navigation generation. If not set set as such, you separate the source track into a track(folder) and the integrated navigation waypoints into a separated points folder, away from your track. For succesfull track navigation both, the correct integrated navwaypoints and the associated track, must be kept together.

Also double check in navigation mode at start. Select Voice or TTS, do you hear the testmessage ?

Gosh there's a lot here that's no where in the knowledgebase. I typically create routes in Basecamp. I pin them down with enough shaping points to make the route not move under re-calc. I may add waypoints but try to avoid them. I may add fuel stops because I know I will stop there. But waypoints are a nuisance in the Garmin workd becuase you MUST pass them and have the device 'acknowledge' them to prevent the device from making you return to them. Sometimes they are slightly off the road and can;t be triggered so I stopped using waypoints in Garmin.

I then create a track from the route so there's thousands of shaping points. I then export and import into Locus.

I can thus live with 'outside' waypoint alerts.

I am frustrated, however, by any attempt to use the route planner or track editing in Locus because the track or route becomes something completely foreign to me. I don't mind navigation instructions being inserted but often they are wrong because the underlying map has a kink in the road and the nav instructions might end up saying turn right now turn around instead of just turn left. So I find guidance a little more reliable. I use offline router and try to never 're-calc. becuase if that happens, the route goes some other weird way which has nothing to do with where I want to go.

I haven;t tried 'track navigation alerts - I didn't know they existed. I'll try to fin that.

It's a gpx file of a route converted to a track. No waypoints - just lots of trackpoints.

When I export a route and import into Locus, the gpx file comes across with the shaping points inside the Waypoints tab of the track in locus.

I use TTS and I hear the voice.

Alan

I can't find any option called 'Merge points and track'. Where is this?

Hi Alan

if your track include POI´s you can select during import dialog what you want.

If you uncheck "merge points with imported track"

POI´s are stored separated in a POI folder

Wolfgang

Ok that probably explains it. Tracks in Basecamp don't have waypoints. This only happens when with routes which I usually avoid.

OK some testing on routes with waypoints seems good however, I have a track/route with quite a few waypoints, it starts some kilometres away from me (shoulhdn't make a difference) but when I start navigation, it re-calcs (doesn't matter which method of auto re-calc is used) and jumps completely away from several of the waypoints to find a more direct/faster route. Why does it ignore the waypoints in the track?When I go to the information|waypoints tab, the early waypoints are no longer in the track. What makes them get thrown out?

When I stop/exit the navigation and inspect the track again, the waypoints are certainly there.

Hi guys,

thanks for the long discussion but I think the things get over complicated here:

- Alan needs to be guided along a route (converted from a track) and doesn't need voice navigation (because of kinks misinterpreted by Locus automatic voice rendering) - therefore, GUIDANCE along a route is recommended

- Alan wants to be notified of waypoints along the route - the best tool for this in Locus is the POI ALERT which is route independent, therefore, it's necessary to place the waypoints separately in a point folder and select this folder when setting up the POI alert.