Via point in "add new route"

Marty McFly shared this question 3 years ago
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I recently updated Locus and there is a new function I dislike, but don't know how to disable.

In older versions, when wanting to create a track (cycling route), I would go to "ADD NEW ROUTE & MEASURE" and then click on map to create the route. My favourite color is orange, so it would create orange route from start to finish, nothing else visible.

But now, it creates "VIA POINT" waypoints along the route (probably the places on map through which I wanted the route to go) with no way of not creating them. I have to then go and one by one click on them and click on delete. Which is lenghty, if it's a long route with many "points".

The question I have is, I don't want them there, where to disable them generally?

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I already read it, but I read the info on page you have posted again. This didn't help, because I already had "compute instructions unchecked". So I've checked it, unchecked it again, but it still does the same thing.

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Hello guys,


"Via points" are added always, no matter if you "compute instructions" or not.


Anyway you may try to edit config file and it's parameter:

  1. dev_enable_add_new_route_via_points

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Hi there Mr. Dev., I will try that. But I am used to have between 10-30 tracks prepared on my screen at any given time, ready to choose from them which one I will ride that day. That would mean having 200-600 via points at the screen, making the screen too cluttered. And already, geocaching icons are cluttering the screen, although I welcome those. Another hundreds of icons of "Via point" is a mess.


Having just orange, 2/3 opaque track doesn't clutter it, because you can see through it and you can choose how thin the line is. Reducing the size of "Via point" icons would reduce all the other icons too. + the "via points" waypoints would remain and if I understand how it works well, the more icons Locus has to display, the slower it is. It would make sense.


So, I just wanted to explain my point of view - why someone wouldn't like them. From previous topics I've seen you respond in, I think you are open minded programmer, so just consider this and my arguments please.

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Good day Marty,


similar to your idea about improving geocaching stuff - also in this case, I think that your use-case is really specific. Via-points were introduced in the middle of June if I remember correctly, and since then, you are first who complain on visible icons.


So,

1. I see no reason to change default behavior

2. you may use mentioned parameter which disable creating of via-points during "Add new route" function

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I've only just come across these new via point icons too. Mainly because I normally use the alternate BRouter track creation method. Marty have you checked this method? I now see from release notes these via point icons were introduced in 3.10.0. I assume these new via points allow recalculating the route while preserving the route already traveled, but allowing untraveled route to be modified? I couldn't find any mention in the manual about this new functionality. If so, there is a good reason for me to not modify the config file.

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What you say is true, I probably am a minority. But if anyone ever wants to remove those points, your solution with editing the .cfg file works well, so again - thanks, my problem is solved.

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Hi guys.

I confirm that is a problem for me too, I was about to write the same post.

The workaround suggested by Menion is enough for me, now, and I'm about to apply in few moments (!).

Until now I solved in another way, that I'd like to suggest to Marty for existing routes.

Simply:


  1. export the route with annoying viapoints;
  2. import it again selecting a folder where to store waipoints to;
  3. track is stored in a different folder, of course, without viapoints.

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Ah, just to contribute to understand the problem:


when I create a new route I tap the screen on places I want the route pass by, but they often don't are real "via points", that is, I intend, "points where you could go another way but route you create says this is the direction" (;-)).

In most cases theese points are intended to force the algorithm to calculate THAT route, not to indicate the direction to biker/yourself (route itself is enough for it).

Am I wrong?

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Yeah, something I was thinking about as well. Even though something may be a problem for people, it's not too big of a problem so they just learn to live with it - because they don't see easy solution to fix it, or they would have to ask on forums.


But the workaround worked and now it's my preferred way - I tweaked few more things in "advanced" cfg setting (show simplified up to zoom level xx), so that's something to consider as well.


However, if you tap the screen in PLACE A and then tap screen 10km away on PLACE D and it goes through the CITY B you don't like, just tap on the MINUS button and make an extra tap on PLACE C (you want to go through) in between. If it doesn't work as well, make more, shorter taps. Sometimes the track building algorithm can be a stubborn beast.


What I hate though is that (I use OSM bike Europe) on my map, I see a track. It's not a big road, just a forest track, but good for my MTB. But the track building algorithm doesn't know it and won't allow me to go through there.

1)I tried to use different Nav. data sources, to no avail. Some works in some places, others in another. The problem is when the route you are creating needs to lead through two of such places - you can choose only one "nav data source". I suppose this is not Menion's problem, but of the data sources.

2)I tried to use a trick of tapping "compute'" (which disables it), going over the problematic part manually, then enabling "compute" again and resuming the track planning. It has its problems, but who knows, maybe it works now better - it's worth trying.

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Hi, Marty.


I agree with your 1 and 2 points (about 1: where do you find additional nav sources? I have, beside of online ones, BRouter and Graph Hopper. If was possible to have it in Locus, could be great to use Outdooractive algorithm, the best I know for Europe).

Strategy you describe in point 2 is the only one is possible to use, when all algorithms fail.

More: there is one better method to reach PLACE D from PLACE A going through PLACE C and not CITY B: you can drag and drop over PLACE C the red point in the middle of the pink line between point A and point D. Thiis a useful feature implemented in Locus.

But, I think, all theese things aren't problems of Menion.

Bye

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Hello. It's me again. After having it working without "via points" until I updated Locus few days ago, it now adds them to my track. I went to config.cfg file to look up the line with how Menion helped me one year ago, but the line wasn't there.


My question is, how to disable adding of "via points" to my track?

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Hello Marty

this was also my question and the answer from menion to me:

http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=5417.msg45464#msg45464

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You mean the one where he said that it's not possible to disable them at the moment? Because one year ago, they weren't here, then they were added and via manually editimg the .cfg file, they could be disabled. Now even that is not an option?


Because I use track creating for creating edges of land lots, city districts, forest areas of my choice... But what I am using it for doesn't really matter, as I think that user should be allowed to use track creation without having to be bothered by deleting dozens of added icons on the map.

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@ Marty McFly

Choose for maximum flexibility during track creation by the Locus "route and measure" function !

There also should be no extra edit delay for simple track creation by the suggested method.

During track edit add Points by:

A: A Single +tap (No delay) B: A Double +tap (No delay) C: A Triple +tap (Offers Point Edit).

Track edit place points::

A: "Shape_Point" (Temp) or B: "Via_Point" (Keep) or C: "Priority_Point" Edit free name, desc and symbol (Keep)

If you like this idea please a +Vote AND add some comment. Thank you !

http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/flexible-add-via-points-function-in-route-and-measure-track-design#comment-32987

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I totally agree that it should be possible to either decrease the size and/or completely remove the viapoints. When creating a route on a map for walking in the terrain the turns are frequent and the route is covered with viapoints. It surprises me that not more "hikers" has raised their voices.

Otherwise I really appriciate the good work that you all have done. To be able to get the free version or buy the Pro version for so little money is realy great.

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@Kjell @Marty @all.

Next Idea will probably also have your interest:

http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/display-merged-waypoints-in-tracks-as-a-very-discrete-dot

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