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Place quick point at cursor position when map manually moved instead of at GPS position

Andrew Heard shared this idea 8 years ago
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Assume I have map centering enabled (bottom/ left button). But now if I manually move the map and then tap to place a quick point at the new cursor position, the cursor position is just ignored and instead the quick point is placed at the GPS position. Sure I can temporarily disable the map centering (if I remember), but in this situation the user is clearly indicating they want the point placed at the cursor location? It would save a few taps while cycling, which may sound trivial, but can often be very useful (traffic/ gloves/ cold fingers).

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Up to now I wasn't aware of this. Thx Andrew for the idea.


Sometimes I thought it was my mistake.

Regards,

KaHeMu

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It is really frustrating carefully positioning the map then tapping the

quick point only to find then (or worse later) that your point is in a

completely unintended place.

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+1 !


Active Buttons in Locus:

"Show me where I am" = SET.

"Hold map center (5sec)" = SET.

Record: +Add Point.

Main Screen.

Actually = Record gps position.

Proposal = Record map/central cross position.

Widget:

Record gps position.

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Hm, I have no problems here to add a (quick)POI on any Pos ("hold map center" is activ)

I set "map_hold_center_method_timeout=10" in the cfg

That means I have 10 seconds - that's enough to add a q.poi

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Hi Gunther,


We know, for slow operators even possible to temporarily unset "show me where I am".

Generate individual independent poi into point folder is no problem.

But here is wanted: Place *free positioned point merged into track in trackfolder or in (gpx) trackfile if exported.

* Free = Or positioned precisely on top of trackpath or positioned anywhere around trackpath.

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see topic...


"Place quick point at cursor position when map manually moved instead of at GPS position"

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Topic is http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:points:quick_add. 6 months ago, if hold map center = SET, this quick point did NOT work. Now fixed.

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"now" fixed? 'think it works long time ago. whatever...

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long time ago? not 6 months ago, otherwise I wouldn't bother with this topic, sorry.

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Yes, I see. Via PM already had conversation with Andrew before. Maybe it is not 100% clear in text idea (you're correct Gunther) but its about the "+add point" in the Trackrecord panel. Some misunderstanding with Andrew ? Lets wait his comment. Is night now at his place.

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o.k.

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I just tested - this idea has now been implemented since my original post 6 months ago. Thanks Menion. I missed any item in the release notes, or it was not documented. You can close this topic.

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Hello Andrew, gynta,


interesting. I do not remember I've changed something like this during last months :). If I understand correctly, storing of coordinates of map center for "Quick points" is in Locus for very very long time. Anyway glad it works as wanted now ;).

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I cannot confirm what Andrew writes, or I don't get him.

Situation (with current 3.16.2):

- Track recording running

- Hold map center active

- Moved map center away from the current position

- Press "Add quick point" and chose a waypoint (red background)

- New waypoint is on current GPS position, not map center

No, the map center didn't return to the current position yet - I can be sure, as if I'm quick with setting the quickpoint, the map center is still off and returns later.

I agree with Menion, this didn't change, has always bothered me. I don't know why it is ok for Andrew now, perhaps there's some preference I'm missing?

I can only assume the confusion stems from the difference between "Quick POI" (Quick point with green background) and "Quick waypoint" (red background). The former correctly stores the map center as POI in Locus DB. The latter stores a waypoint in the track that is being recorded - but that is always the GPS position. Actually, it's the GPS position at the time you press "OK" (if you have a string field in the description)

I think that's what 0709 was also trying to explain.


I still think it's a useful addition to be able to add waypoints to a track that do not correspond to the track itself.

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Hi Ingo. You are totally correct, sorry for all the confusion. My recent tests had been with "Add new point" button (which works, probably always did). This suggestion is only related to the "Quick new point" button (which could be improved). Your "situation" above is a concise description of the problem and solution.


My concise summary

  • if hold map center active
  • move map from GPS position
  • tap "Add quick point" and tap a user defined icon
  • new point is on current GPS position (wrong) instead of map center (suggestion)

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For me "quick poi" means the panel function "Quick new pont"

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And for "auto go back" to your last pos, you have to tap in settings the checkmark "hold map center"

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AND tap the center map button in mapview (bottom left)...

the "return time" you can change in config.cfg

map_hold_center_method_timeout=

IF that is not the point - tell me.

otherwise we have new ideas on other functions - feel free to open a new idea post.


edit

to add a WAYpoint away from track is nonsens (for me)

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Of course we're talking about "Quick new point". The problem here is, I think, that there are two types of quick point (green background -> new point in Locus database, red background -> new waypoint in recorded track). Some people are probably unaware of this at all.

Now Andrew's idea text doesn't say which one he means - that's where all the confusion comes from. Because new points in Locus DB are created at the map center, whereas a waypoint in the recorded track is created at the current GPS position.

I don't know if Andrew's initial point was that also Locus DB points were created at the current GPS position - perhaps he can fill us in on that.

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Sorry for not being more specific in original post. As a side note interesting only single comment 6 months ago until now? I am 100% sure that 7 months ago the behavior I originally described was different to what now occurs. I am talking about behavior of the Quick New Point and Add New Point buttons (below), not the button on the track recording side panel.

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I can only reiterate my original observation and Locus version at the time - with Hold Map Center = SET, when I panned to a different position, and added a new point with either button, the position saved to the database was always the GPS position instead of the map center. As I pointed out this was frustrating if trying to add a point while cycling. I had to remember to disable Hold Map Center, then pan & add point, then reenable Hold Map Center.


Not sure I can add anything more useful to the discussion?

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Andrew, please confirm that when talking about "Quick new point", you actually mean a setting with green background?! As I mentioned above, there are two types of quick new points, and only the "Quick new Locus DB point" should (and is now) using the map center, whereas the "Quick waypoint" (red background) is still using the GPS position - which is at least debatable.

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Ingo - that's why I included the previous screen capture of my main screen buttons - see 2 arrows - I have confirmed my original post now is working correctly with Quick New Point and Add New Point buttons. None of those main

screen buttons have any color since the icons were changed a few major

versions ago?? My main

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It's weird that we observe different behavior especially when Menion can't recall making a change.


For example when I have map panning with GPS (Hold Map Center) and I tap Add New Point, the location is set to GPS:

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and when I have dragged map to a new location the field is (correctly):

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What are we doing different?

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Andrew, did you ever actually define a Quick Point? I'm only ever talking about this dialog:

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That"s where the different background colors are.

Green: Quick point -> Locus DB

Red: Quick waypoint, only available when recording.

I'm sorry I thought it was obvious what background colors I'm talking about, because everyone who uses the Quick Points will have seen at least one of those.

PS: You switched your screenshots... ;)

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Ingo I thought I'd "split" my reply to you regards color of icons because I still have different experience.


>obvious what background colors I"m talking about

no not obvious because all my icons have white/clear background

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Maybe when all icons have same "storage" Locus decides not to display background color. Whereas you have a mix of "storage" settings. Here is typical settings for one of my quick points:

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Note "quick points" says "Save current center of map" not "current location". This topic now seems to me to be a bug not just a suggestion, because "Save current center of map"is being ignored. Menion to comment?

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Ingo

>PS: You switched your screenshots... ;)

no, I checked a gain, I didn't switch my screenshots. But irrelevant now given further comments.

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"Save current center of map":

Are you sure? For me, that works as it should. Whether I have a recording running or not, when I chose a quick point to DB (green bg), the map center is used.

My point was always about the possibility to use the map center also for waypoints (red bg).

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Checking code and all seems to be correct. Adding points to DB set map center, adding points to track during recording add a current GPS. I've also tested it now and it works correctly (I'm of course talking about "Quick new point".

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@Andrew


wrote: "no not obvious because all my icons have white/clear background"

Have you never changed this panel since new feature is included?

Try to add new point (as an test) - background changed now?

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Great job willy - but have i no idea what does it mean :D

(of course i know this function inside qpoi - but what's your inducement to post this?)

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I haven't had need for quick points with storage = track recording. Why is this topic now marked as "Completed" because you can't reproduce my issue? I am always happy and willing to perform any tests or clarify any misunderstood point.


Anyway after more & more testing I have discovered my observation of wrongly recording quick point position is more subtle/ specific. So I have created a new topic to clarify with better topic summary. Thanks for useful discussion.

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