Impossible to start navigation from other then GPS location

By the Routeplanner:

http://help.locusmap.eu/profile/6248

http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=5953.msg49935#msg49935

In attachment. Track with timestamps and elevation by Komoot.

Compare Speed to Slope.

Navigation and planning work well as expected.

Navigation is primarily for navigation. (Click and Go) Navigation is a tool that (rightly) searches for the path from where you are (GPS) to the destination. That's right and expected. Some auto-navigation do not even have the option to select a starting point.

Finding a route from point A to point B is planning (car-navigation - itinerary)

Navigation provides the information needed to drive.

Palnning provides other route information.

The brouter profiles work and also change them in Locus, provided that the Locus control is set.

+ edit:

Make a route from point A to point B through planning is much easier and faster (3 clicks) and we get all the information.

The same thing in navigating through editing points is more complicated (6 click) and we do not get all the route information. Getting information on the ride. (What is right)

Hi Condor,

I do not know what you are talking about. The "normal" behavior is auto-centering on, because I want to see what is around my actual position. Only if I sit in the car I switch on the auto-rotate tool additionally. That all works well - no question.

If I always use the navigation from GPS starting point, which also works well, then it is only one click more to change the starting point in these rarely cases when I want to start the navigation from any other starting point. The menu item to do this is exemplary. The calculated route is correct shown on the map. Only the dates above are wrong. I think this little error could be fixed.

Next,

in that moment when the "Route-Planner" sub tool was entered, automatically the auto-center funtion should be switched off. That is all and I think, it should be not too difficult.

Jürgen

Time and distance are shown correctly.

Hi Menion,

here is your requested video. Sorry, it is huge.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hzyopmko5vb6jpj/AAC7WYoljrYe5_-fxBvV6fNna?dl=0

It seems to be another error in the start point selection. I pressed the menu item "take from map" but "take from display center" was processed.

Jürgen

Bigger is not a problem, this help desk is just limited in size of attachments. Send it please on my working email jiri.mlavec@asamm.com, thank you.

Hi,

perfect, thanks. So ...

From my point of view, Locus do what I expected to do.

Start point selection: you selected start point on the map dialog. Here, tab on big blue OK button confirm coordinates just under map center cross. Move with center of screen on different place and confirm by OK button to choose different location, or tap anywhere on the map and then on small white "Tap to select" popup. Just tested and should work correctly.

About navigation: when auto-recalculate is disabled, it really compute navigation between start > end points without trigger of recalculation: visible in 2:10 of your video ... track computed and nothing more happen. Because you have enabled GPS, there is just a connection line between your current location and start point of track. What you expected here?

The problem is that you have to remember turn of auto-recalculate and it is also a hassle doing this. Why don't you try to make Locus Map a little bit smarter?

I live in Norway and often when planning vacations, I try to find routes and driving times between places. So it makes no sense that Locus map is changing the starting point of a route between for instance Barcelona and Madrid when the gps position tells Locus Map that I am in Norway. Why cant the auto-recalculate be triggered when you alredy have been on the route. If you have never been on the route, auto-recalculate should be turned off for that particular route.

And while I am into it: You have made a route planner in Locus Map, but it is no good for driving. I can only select walking, cycling or skiing when I want to know how long time it takes to travel the distance.

(And when selecting route statistics, Locus Map is crashing)

Hi, thanks for a feedback. Is it really necessary to plan a vacation over "Navigate to" function? If this is only because of missing times in "Route planner", then this is something I agree that needs to be fixed soon. Route planner should be optimized for planning, "Navigate to" function for quick work in the field when you needs to navigate somewhere. Should not be exchanged.

(and crash fixed, thanks).

@ Menion

That "Tab to select" trick I also found out meanwhile. Not a good solution because nobody expects this, but not really a big problem.

Did you realized that the behavior is equal in both cases of the movie, no matter if auto-recalculation is enabled or not. I agree with the suggestion of SV Hovland to evaluate whether I'm on the route or not. But I can also imagine that the effort for such a change is markable.

But my main problem was: The data in the headline (distance and time to destination) are wrong. Because they are always calculated from GPS and not from the reall starting point.

@ SV Hovland

I found out that changing the profile (car, bike) is also possible in the "Route Planner" subtool but it depends on the sequence of pressing the control elements. The blue profile button has to be pressed before the second route point was set. A rearrangement after the first calculation into another profile is (still) not possible.

This is in order to preserve the possibility of planning a combined route.

People planning holidays, trips and routes...

For example, one route per day of travel from many days of my plan:

Auto-Fast on the Paid Way (SK). - short off-priced (H). - Short Forest Walking Walking. - Fast highway pay, avoid unpaved road (RO). - Mountain car 4x4. - Hiking. - ECO fast.

For this, the entire route must not be converted for each profile change.

(As an optional option of course yes)

@JürgenYou wrote that selection of location of map screen center (under cross) when tap on blue OK button is "Not a good solution because nobody expects this" ... any suggestion? What you expected that this button do?

Equal behaviour: no, it isn't. In first case is visible small green popup that Locus started recalculation. It wasn't finished because 500 km long distance takes some time.

And data in headline ... yes, it is a "problem". As mentioned before: you are trying to use "Navigate to" functionality for a use-case that is not made for. Sorry, but I really can't help here now. If you want to plan a route, use "Route planner". Use "Navigate to" mainly if you wants to get somewhere from your current location.

Some "smart" Locus as Holand suggested also does not help here, because your problem seems to be time & distance values, not directly fact that Locus Map perform auto-recalculation.

And rearranging is possible ... as Condor wrote, currently solution gives maximum flexibility.

Anyway simply set wanted profile and then add points and Locus will compute new segments with the defined profile. If you want to change a certain part of existing route, change the profile and then move by finger with already placed green/blue corner (shaping) points and this will trigger recompute of the segment before and after of this point. Hope this helps.

@ Menion

I would understand the answer: Hey, this is such a small malfunction and we do currently not have enough manpower .. Ok. But that this should be the wanted and expected behavior - sorry.

With some experiences now and after these discussion, I can life with. But the next newbie will tap into the same trap again, sure. And don't think that is unlikely. It occurs when you sit on evening in a hotel, do not have any satellite connectivity because many concrete around and you only want to know how far it is tomorrow. As usual you take your navi as always and everything works as expected. Of course you trust the km. Why not, it was always correct? Automatic recalculation does not occur because you do not have a GPS fix. Or you have your fix but the recalculation takes a while. You won't get no warning but the wrong values.

You have such a wonderful menu system with overwhelming possibilities. How to explain that in this case the selection of a starting point is void?

The "smart" Locus, let me call it the Hovland approach, would be a very good final solution. But I agree, this will be not cheap.

Jürgen Gärtner

You can join your vote here:

http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/new-route-planning-ad-car-time-estimate

Well thank you

Apropos:

In the situation described in the evening, you will get exactly the right information from hotel. How far and how long it will take to the destination. :-) And so it works and that's right.

If I sit at home on the couch and want to plan a trip from a hotel in Norway to a national park in Sweden it makes sense to use a planing.

@ Menion

Concerning the menu item "Select from map"

After the first click into the map a small pop-up occurs. Then everybody expects that the pointed value will be taken over with the OK-button. Nobody expects that the OK-button now takes the position under the cross in the middle. Especially not when for this function a separate menu item exists.

@ Condor

again: A newbie travels the first 800 km on a well known highway. So it is not necessary to activate the navi. Better he saves the battery power. Evening in the hotel he takes his tablet to prepare the next day travel. Tablet has no satellite signal, so it is still at home which is 800 km away. Do you understand now ... ?

(The newbie was me and I booked a wrong pension.)

Correction

I went down into the basement to repeat the experiment. No satellite signal. Starting point from map. Surprise! Everything works fine. Correct data for distance and time. Repeatedly!

(Now I understand Condor :-)

What's happen? I went back above into the office. Good satellite signal. Error is back again.

That means my assumtion above was not correct. If there is no satellite signal, an old last position is not hold in memory as I thought yesterday.

I think, that makes the software fix easier.

Thanks

The newbie should use Route planner instead ;). But understand ... he did not know in that time.

Menion,

don't let me be misunderstood. I got also some practice in RoutePlanner now. But this tool is more powerful and has also more uncertainties. I think I cannot tell you all these little things of wondering. (A planned route was stored, but where is it now? How to import in navigation - ok, there is a menu item to convert - aha - how to delete the planned route? Yea works, but it is still there with another color - how to remove this? And so on ...)

Understand me, there is no time to research when somebody is waiting ...

Therefore I prefer the (simple) smart things and in this case it is "Navigate to"

Jürgen

I agree.

Any questions or problems in the future will get the answer from someone.

Stefan

I agree,

but I think point 4 will become very difficult. Not only the software changes also the control graph from ergonomic perspective. "Navigate to" has to define only one destination point and after this in exceptional cases additionally a starting point. If than the control will be directed to "RoutePlanner" always two points have to be supplied in vice versa sequence. After all one has to find the menu item which is called "Navigation".

Now two routes are pending, one from RoutePlanner and the other fom Navigator. If the driver reaches the destination, automatically the Navi route was deleted. But what is with the RoutePlanner's route?

I can imagine thousends of other unpredictable things.

From my point, I would better life with a known bug as it is now.

Hi Menion,

what about this simple workaround:

IF

in a "Navigate to" scenario a starting point other than GPS was detected

THEN

- save the recalculation mode

- start a timer with 100 s

- disable recalculation

- disregard actual GPS position (or simulate no GPS fix)

END

ON TIMER EXPIRED OR END OF NAVIGATION

- restore the old recalculation mode

- restore GPS fix

- start recalculation with a beep (if recalculation was enabled)

END

In this one minute the correct data are displayed for information and nobody has to remember that there is leak or has to switch over the recalculation mode.

Regards Jürgen

Hi,

I jumped in the same trapdoor as Jürgen did. I read through all the discussion and these proposed solutions. If the implementation shall be as Jiri explained, wouldn't it be easy to disable the startpoint selection to anything but "GPS position"? The confusion in my situation just came from, that locus allowes me to select another start point, but starts at the GPS. In case that start point is fixed to GPS it is just clear.

Hello,

quite a long discussion and to be true, I'm not sure what was the main point here and also the result.

Anyway, summary:

• if you want a plan navigation from other then GPS point, use "Route planner"
• if you want to navigate from a certain point on an already planned route, display route on the map, tap on it, choose "Navigate to" and check "Navigate from selected point"

The second method may help you. Please keep in mind, that in current version it may not work perfectly. So please wait on next coming 3.38 version. Thanks.

Hi Menion,

if someone knows, that nothing but actual GPS position works in the starting point selection menu then one can live with this restriction. The problem is that a new user does not know it firstly. That is what M.Stuebner wanted to say.

From my point of view is the starting point selection menu a powerful invention and it distinguishes from all the other navigators. If I want to show someone what a nice Locus I have (to convince him) I am showing the destination selection menu with it's nine possibilities. But the absolute hit is that I can do it also for the starting point. No other navigator can do this. The only problem is - it won't work.

But it would be so nice if it would work!

My propose above (solution with timer) - forget it. It would be fitter software.

Maybe a simple pop-up window gives the hint that the destination leading is disabled until the starting point "Actual GPS" was selected. But the calculated route is shown correctly with distance and time. This would be a "Mini Route Planner" but in most cases sufficient.

Or you'll find a better solution with convergence approach from actual position to calculated route and snap into the destination leading if Locus reaches the route at any point. That would be the "Gold" variant.

I trust your experience.

Hello,

understand, thanks. Agree it make sense.

In case, you define start point other then GPS, it makes sense to navigate to this start point if you are not directly on the route, instead of recalculation to target as app do now (in case of enable point-priority recalculation).

I made an improvement here, so give it a try with next Locus Map version 3.38 (next week). We also improved route-priority recalculation system, so combined with custom start location in "Navigate to" function, it may give useful results. Test in the field says more :).

Menion