3.18.4 broke internal themes street and city

Sorry, I wanted to say that with the three to four week old version everything was fine, but 3.18.4 seems bad.

Openandromaps and element/elevate themes are fine even with lomaps. Also (themes of) Freizeitkarten..

Hello Thomas,

we've prepared new car theme as simple as possible with the main goal to prepare simple map for car navigation when the main symbols are shown in detailed zoom. The summer theme contains almost all information as old car theme.

We're open tp discussion - please feel free to describe what's wrong in car theme. I'd like to collect user's comments and customize the theme.

Thank you

Petr

Thank you for your answer. But the map with this theme is now entirely useless to find nice roads for motorcyling.

• no colors indicating forests/hills/etc.
• roads much to small (narrow) and
• not easily possible to distiguish street classes (minor/major/autobahn) in the short time to look at the map while riding.
  

The current ones are completely worthless to me. Previously it looked almost like a decent Raster Map created by a cartographer (see attachment).

Please make the previous themes available (as an option). PLEASE.

Thomas

For self (not auto/car) navigation on a motorcycle I need the following:

• Streets artificial wide, to see all streets without zooming in (maximum street densitiy) See above example. A Street map should mainly contain streets. At best ALL - as much as possible. Even the unpaved as a single gray line. But always distinguishable from any paved road with double lines. Maps showing 95% background color are useless..
  
• And (shading for) villages/citys or houses to see where there are no houses (and pedestrians, less cars, donkeys and speed limits :-)
• green shading for forests
• gray shading for hills
• names of citys not vanishing when zooming in (write biggest last)
• height lines and mountain (tops) and peaks to see where the roads needs to be winding and are going up and down.
• markings for allowed or forbidden/closed streets.
• markings for nice or difficult (interesting :-) streets if info available
• All items needs to have as much contrast as possible. Currently all streets more or less orange on light pale pink is almost worst combination..
• Camping sites / Hotels / Mountain huts / touristic highlights? (probably another layer..?)

• If the map only looks 90% like Generalkarte/MairDumont in the end, I pay any price (see attachment, THIS IS A STREET MAP).
  

Thank you for listening. Thomas

Hello Thomas,

I can understand you and thank you for detailed summary. I'll discuss the future of car theme on team meeting next week. However when I think about your needs - have you tried the new summer theme? I guess that it should be useful for you (in case that you hide hiking and cycling routes). Would you please try it?

Thank you

Petr

Hello Petr,

Thank you again for your message and for the tip with the summer theme. It looks good; the only thing is: it might have not enough emphasis (meaning width or contrast) of streets (in the future?)

I guess, if you add a motorcycle theme (starting with the previous city or street), you will gain A LOT of new customers. Everyone I showed Locus Maps on the last tour I guided, was interested.

I would even suggest to bundle it with a device like the KENXINDA W9:

http://www.tinydeal.com/kenxinda-w9-60-fhd-mtk6753-octa-core-ip68-waterpoof-rugged-4g-phone-p-159469.html

Mine will come the next days..

Do you think it is possible to have a theme, where winding roads outside of citys (or with a speed limit of 60km/h or higher :-) are marked/flaged? Only calculated from the OSM info and geometry data and high data? This would be the killer for TomTom, Garmin, etc on the motorcycle..

Thomas

Hello,

there were two main ideas that influenced new themes:

- To join Hiking and Cycling theme

- to make car theme quite simple that can be used mainly for navigation

Only trunk/motorway road's number are shown when you zoom out to large area. There was issue mainly in Germany/ Netherlands where map was fill up with map labels because there is quite lot of roads. The new themes are in progress so please feel free to share your ideas. Please see another topic: http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/3-18-4-broke-internal-themes-street-and-city#comment-30342

Regards

Petr

Thank you for quick response. I'm going to read a topic you indicated.

General idea to make simple a road theme is OK. But now the simplification gone too far. Main thing for this theme disappeared - road labels, and even roads itself can vanish when map is zoom out.

Many of us ride motorbikes, both on road and on off road using old/bad/abandoned roads.

any idea to create a theme more to motorcycles?

I looked at your summer theme, I dont think it will work for motorcycles.

Its too vauge and I really dont need to see hiking trails.

contour lines on/off

bold streets on/off

keep all the hiking/biking/similar trails

I tried to point that out already: The streets need emphasis by color and contrast and width. Every cartographer makes the streets much broader than they really are. Therefore the street density is much higher (more/all streets shown even with less zoom in) and so the usability and overview is a lot better with the small displays of Smartphones. I do all my trip planning not with a PC but on the fullHD display of a Xperia Z Ultra (in the last 11 years I used Pathaway with man (cartographer) made raster maps). Pls compare the provided Raster map to the current street theme.

I happily would pay additionally at least 10€ for a good motorcycle theme. And easily 10€ more, for the option to highlight/mark nice (winding, up and down) roads, like with the (manual) green markings along the recommended streets in good street maps created by cartographers. Again: see my provided example. The information to be displayed are all named already. (fuel stations, was a good addition).

I am very sure, that you would get hundreds of customers for such a theme..

e.g. news://news.opera.com:119/nmb5jt$vhf$4@news.albasani.net

Thomas.

The twisty, curvy roads would be nice, but I dont see that as a must have.

We need better and higher contrast on the roads and the road types. It would also help as above that the roads were widened somehow so we could see the road names at a fast glance.

If I take your summer theme, turn off the hiking and the mbt trails you are left with a very blank screen. The map does not show enough detail to use in my opinion

This came from another user:

I'd like a theme that will have even minor roads in an easy to

distinguish color like yellow. All the themes I've tried have forest

service roads in white, hard to pick out if you're also displaying

contours.

Also, displaying road and trail names at more points along the road would be great, especially near intersections.

It would deserve some voting with choices, but I am not sure if this helpdesk forum offers it.

Hi,

thank you for your comments and ideas. The car theme will be little bit improved in next version. It's not radical solution only small improvements. More over we prepared simple voting system (directly in app) to get some feedback from our users.

Thank you

Petr

Hello Petr,

Thanks, that is very good.

could you provide the previous street and city themes for download (somewhere) to be able to use and compare to new ones. Thank you!

Thomas

Yes, would it be possible to get the old built-in themes somehow?

I miss the 'car' theme that I used a lot when driving.

It seems the road style in latest Locus release does not distinguish highway=motorway and highway=trunk.

Hello Guys,

I'd like to find some consensus about new internal themes. There were some changes in the last two version that should reduced your complaints. Unfortunately some points are quite complicated and can not be implemented. Feel free to post some comments but for me it's almost completed.

Thanks

Petr