Elevation and slopes completely off
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Since about a week, cumulated elevation are completely off when planning a route. For instance, à route planned and forecasted 1000m cumulated elevation is actually only around 500m (no bridge or tunnel). Did no change on the app and could not find any solutions in the other topics. Slopes are also off (25% slopes obtenir forecasted) but this has been the case since the beginning (2 months use).
I really need help, especially for elevation has planning is then quite difficult (and i'm on a bike trip)
Thanks !
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Hi Clem,
could you please specify where exactly this problem occurs? Could you send a GPX of the route so that we can evaluate all circumstances? Do you also have any reference measurements of the elevation gain? The more info you give, the better help we can provide. Thanks!
Hi Clem,
could you please specify where exactly this problem occurs? Could you send a GPX of the route so that we can evaluate all circumstances? Do you also have any reference measurements of the elevation gain? The more info you give, the better help we can provide. Thanks!
Hi Michal, thanks a lot for you answer. For instance, here is the route planned today forecasting more than 2000m cumulated elevation https://link.locusmap.app/t/iviv53 and here is my today's track which is actually 370m https://link.locusmap.app/t/p7bkyb
Hope that helps, let me know if you need any other information and thanks a lot for you help !
Hi Michal, thanks a lot for you answer. For instance, here is the route planned today forecasting more than 2000m cumulated elevation https://link.locusmap.app/t/iviv53 and here is my today's track which is actually 370m https://link.locusmap.app/t/p7bkyb
Hope that helps, let me know if you need any other information and thanks a lot for you help !
There is a tiny tunnel km 2 and a bridge here but it happens also without any tunnels or bridges. Thanks !
There is a tiny tunnel km 2 and a bridge here but it happens also without any tunnels or bridges. Thanks !
Hi Clem,
thanks, could you please send GPX files of both the route and the track? Did you plan the route on the web or in the app?
Hi Clem,
thanks, could you please send GPX files of both the route and the track? Did you plan the route on the web or in the app?
Hi Michal,
That's what I did in my first reply with the links. Here are the files if it's easier. I used the app to plan. Let me know if there something i'm missing
Hi Michal,
That's what I did in my first reply with the links. Here are the files if it's easier. I used the app to plan. Let me know if there something i'm missing
Hi Clem,
Thanks for testing that, and sorry again this cropped up mid-trip.
The elevation profile filled onto the planned route is full of tiny artificial up-and-down steps, and since total ascent adds up every little rise, that noise balloons into a hugely inflated number (and drives those unrealistic slope readings too).
Since recomputing the elevation didn't help, the most likely cause is simply that the elevation source data for this area isn't very accurate — especially where your route runs along the side of a ridge, where the elevation grid can pick up ground higher or lower than the road itself. So it's not your route or the terrain; it's the underlying data.
The good workaround is the one you can apply per route: set a custom altitude (gain) threshold for that route from its elevation profile settings, instead of relying on the global default. A threshold of around 20 m brings the total down to a realistic ~515 m — much closer to what you actually ride. You can nudge the value up or down a little to taste. For recorded tracks, the elevation is reliable as-is, so trust those for your real totals.
Enjoy the rest of the trip!
Hi Clem,
Thanks for testing that, and sorry again this cropped up mid-trip.
The elevation profile filled onto the planned route is full of tiny artificial up-and-down steps, and since total ascent adds up every little rise, that noise balloons into a hugely inflated number (and drives those unrealistic slope readings too).
Since recomputing the elevation didn't help, the most likely cause is simply that the elevation source data for this area isn't very accurate — especially where your route runs along the side of a ridge, where the elevation grid can pick up ground higher or lower than the road itself. So it's not your route or the terrain; it's the underlying data.
The good workaround is the one you can apply per route: set a custom altitude (gain) threshold for that route from its elevation profile settings, instead of relying on the global default. A threshold of around 20 m brings the total down to a realistic ~515 m — much closer to what you actually ride. You can nudge the value up or down a little to taste. For recorded tracks, the elevation is reliable as-is, so trust those for your real totals.
Enjoy the rest of the trip!
Hi Michal,
Thanks a lot for your help. Can you détail how you are doing that ? Is it à global setup or i will have to tweak every route ?
Its not just à local issue as its the same for Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo... do you think using OSM instead of LoMaps can be better or it's going to be the same ?
Thanks !
Hi Michal,
Thanks a lot for your help. Can you détail how you are doing that ? Is it à global setup or i will have to tweak every route ?
Its not just à local issue as its the same for Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo... do you think using OSM instead of LoMaps can be better or it's going to be the same ?
Thanks !
OSM maps, LoMap, OAM maps, etc., are all based on OSM raw data and are therefore the same.
But when it comes to elevation data, there are good and very good options. Sonny’s LiDAR data is currently the best. However, it requires a bit more storage space. The accuracy of the recording can also vary depending on the GPS sensor and how many points it captures. The recording should follow the route as closely as possible.
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OSM maps, LoMap, OAM maps, etc., are all based on OSM raw data and are therefore the same.
But when it comes to elevation data, there are good and very good options. Sonny’s LiDAR data is currently the best. However, it requires a bit more storage space. The accuracy of the recording can also vary depending on the GPS sensor and how many points it captures. The recording should follow the route as closely as possible.
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Hi Clem,
The altitude threshold is applied individually because the data noise is not present everywhere, but it is quite common when the route runs along the side of a hill or ridge.
It has to be enabled in the expert settings, and then it is available in the "edit" dialog for the route. More info: https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php/manual:faq:wrong_gps_data#custom_altitude_threshold.
As for the elevation data, you can download the custom data @freischneider mentioned but not all countries are covered by the most accurate lidar data. More info: https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php/manual:faq:how_to_add_map_shading#custom_elevation_data_sources
Hi Clem,
The altitude threshold is applied individually because the data noise is not present everywhere, but it is quite common when the route runs along the side of a hill or ridge.
It has to be enabled in the expert settings, and then it is available in the "edit" dialog for the route. More info: https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php/manual:faq:wrong_gps_data#custom_altitude_threshold.
As for the elevation data, you can download the custom data @freischneider mentioned but not all countries are covered by the most accurate lidar data. More info: https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php/manual:faq:how_to_add_map_shading#custom_elevation_data_sources
Great, thanks a lot to borh of you for your help !
About the slopes, any idea how to make them more accurate ? Even when applying the threshold or in countries with less noise, the slopes are completely off
Thanks !
Great, thanks a lot to borh of you for your help !
About the slopes, any idea how to make them more accurate ? Even when applying the threshold or in countries with less noise, the slopes are completely off
Thanks !
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