List of waypoints in a track

Ingo Rau shared this idea 2 years ago
Completed

When I record a track with the new widget and add a point with the icon, it will create a new waypoint (I think that's the correct name), that's part of the track.

Now I can edit a waypoint by clicking on it in the map, but I can't see it anywhere in the data tab. It's not in the Points list, and also there's nothin in the track itself.

Am I overlooking something or is that simply not implemented yet? If so, I'll add this as new idea (having a list of waypoints in the track details, with possibility to (multi-) edit) - would make handling them much easier.

Comments (68)

photo
1

Hello Ingo,


this is exactly a feature that is missing in current Locus version (so waypoints are really available only by tap directly on a map).


Anyway I'm really aware of this and this feature is planned on first half of next year. I'm trying to find if such idea exists and for my surprise, I cannot find any. No one interested in this except me and you? :)

photo
1

Well, that's why I put this under "Questions", there was nobody missing it, so I was sure it's just me overlooking it ;)

Anyway, glad to head it's already planned - perhaps you could move this thread to "Idea", in case at some point somebody else DOES search for this...

photo
1

@Gynta:

"No", there is no such list, or "no", nobody's interested except Menion and me? ;)

photo
1

"No" was the answer to your first question "Is there...?"

But now, Menion has changed this topic.

photo
photo
2

Oki, changed to idea (why to create a new idea, agree). Also negative votes are welcome, so I may think about this as a total waste of time (expect around two days of work on it).


I already few times though about possibility to get all points in track as a simple list to be able to manipulate simply with them, not directly on a map. Together with ability to add/remove for example navigation points etc. this should be quite useful, isn't it? Hmm "no", oki :).


Comments or votes are welcome!

photo
1

Hmmm...not 100% sure off the above descriptions. Before voting ! More info pse.


Do you really mean functionality as provided for example by the freeware pc program ’gpx editor’ ? Really ?

Show map AND a list of all trackpoints AND the merged waypoints. Edit, delete, add (way)points ?

Never seen such extended (edit) functionality with any android program. Someone ?

Pc programs: Easy edits by many ’mouse’ manipulations. Android ? bleutooth mouse ?

photo
1

@0709:

No, it's just about the waypoints. Right now, you can have (separate) points and edit them as bulk from the Data dialog, or also individually in the map. Waypoints however are part of a track, but you can only edit them when selecting from the map. When you edit, you don't even see which track they belong to.*

Now it would be very useful to be able to edit a track's waypoints in bulk. Think about having calculated a route with lots of "Direction waypoints" (go left here), but you don't need them, you only want the route and the waypoints are clogging up your view. Right now, you'd have to delete each one of them individually.


* @Menion:

Do you think that could be added easily in any way? If you have several tracks in the same area, it can be hard to tell which one a waypoint belongs to...

photo
1

Hmmm..still don’t understand. Sorry. Talking about .gpx ? Directional waypoints ? Tracksource ?


In a track we have trackpoints. The connecting line between them shows the track (line). Waypoints are independent and free from the trackrun I think. Import the waypoints and the track in Locus from such a merged, mixed .gpx track and separate the track into a (free)track folder and the waypoints into a (free)Poi folder.


But main Locus problem, there is no easy possibility to export and merge (or rejoin) the track and the (re)edited way (poi)points by using .gpx file format. A workaround is exporting screeninfo to a .kmz file format but some waypoint info is lost. (no cmt no desc field).

photo
1

OK, I think I see the problem: We have different experience because we use different functions of Locus.

I never imported a GPX with waypoint, so I don't know how Locus handles that.

What I did was record a track with Locus and while doing that, set a waypoint (the icon with normal "Add point balloon" above a track). The waypoints created like this are attached to the track, but only show up on the map, nowhere in data (neither in Points nor Track).

The same kind of waypoint is created when you (online) calculate a route and have "Direction hints" - they are created as waypoints within the track, too.

I'm not sure if these waypoints have to coincide with a trackpoint, probably not.


I assume, your problem is related: If the handling of "track-internal" waypoints would be better, imported tracks could keep their waypoints internal, too, instead of having them separated.


Hope this cleared things up.

photo
2

I will write you short think I have in mind - what to do - which should bring some light into your discussion.


Current track (after tap) display four tabs - main, attachments, chart, laps, ok?


What I want to do, is add another fifth tab with list of attached waypoints. That's all.


Ingo talk about some options similar to current database of waypoints, but I really do not have such plans, sorry. Usually you have a few waypoints you recorded or imported and this function should help quickly find, delete, save to waypoints folder, etc. few of them. At least at start ..


Better 0709?

photo
1

This Waypoints List ? See picture. Correct ?

photo
1

Well, I didn't know the "Itinerary" dialog (never actually did navigation before), but these are the waypoints I was talking about. You get the same kind of point when you create a waypoint while recording a track.

Anyway, I think Menion's proposal I just what we need here, no other fancy stuff necessary, just a list with multi-select and delete/copy to. Oh, and a link in the point details to the track it belongs to would be great.

photo
1

Itinerary is routepoint


waypoints in a track are trackpoints

pois are waypoints

is not?

photo
photo
1

Hallo Ingo if you're still there. Are you also active in forum ? Send PM, and w'll better stop discussion here. It is going offroad I think.

photo
1

@Menion:

I'm not sure if I phrased my expectations well, but your description is exactly what I mean: Additional tab with list of points, possibility to multi-select for deletion or copying to points folder. No frills.

If you could add this, I'll be super-happy :)


@0709:

Tomorrow, ok? But you could for it anyway, deal? ;)

photo
1

When You record a track with the new widget and add a point with the icon, it will create a new trackpoint (I think that's the correct name), that's part of the track.

Now you can edit a trackpoint by clicking on it in the map, but you can't see it anywhere in the data tab. It's not in the Points list, and also there's nothing in the track itself. because you cannot edit track


Waypoints are not part of a track, you can only edit trackpoint when selecting from the map.


track's waypoints are trackpoints, not waypoints


lots of "Direction waypoints" (go left here) in a route are routepoint espessally turn-point , not waypoint


In a track we have trackpoints. The connecting line between them shows the track (line).

Waypoints are independent and free from the trackrun I think.


Import the waypoints and the track in Locus from such a merged, mixed .gpx track

and separate the track into a track folder and the waypoints into a Poi folder.


What You did was record a track with Locus and while doing that, set a trackpoint (the icon with normal "Add point balloon" above a track). The trackpoints created like this are attached to the track, but only show up on the map, nowhere in data (neither in Points nor Tracks Tab).


The same kind of routepoint is created when you (online) calculate a route and have "Direction hints (Itinerary)" - they are created as routepoints within the route, too.

photo
1

Just another feature which can be provided with the use of the functionality "waypoints as part of a track" is discussed here: http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/multiple-waypoint-navigation

photo
1

I know of a few offline GPS apps that allow the order of added waypoints to be optimized - simply add the waypoint, tap optimize, and the list is reordered to follow all waypoints in as shorter route as possible. Nice feature.

photo
photo
1

Hi all, at least now I begin to understand the problem they had in Babylon a few thousand years ago. It could have been so much simpler if you all simply should speak 'Dutch'. At least for me ;-) But Serious now.


First we must use the same (gps)language. I know all those different terminologys and different interpretations of Waypoints, trackpoints, coursepoints sometimes are so confusing during conversations. Even not mentioning the language barrier of the international users here.


Maybe it would be a good idea that in the help files of Locus some correct terminology should be formulated at least for those items and filesystems that are compatible or used in Locus. Maybe some gps experts here can have a look at this, give some advise and correction if necessary so that we are talking clearly to each other. A Native English speaker also should help. This here is my own personal memo text. A good starting text ? As I am not a gps professional, I created this as I think it to be correct. If not so please correct me.


Start.


.gpx Track (trk): The connecting line between several trackpoints (trktp). Tracks can be used with any map (or no map at all)


Waypoints (wpt) are free independent points, they do not belong or are not hard connected to any track or trackpoint. Free to be placed on the map anywhere, or be used as POI point. Selected Waypoints and tracks can be mixed "to travel together" into one single merged .gpx file to share, but have in fact nothing in common.


.gpx Routes: a start and stop point and the where to go to "via" routepoints (rtetp).


To be used in combination with routable maps. A mobile gps system with a routable map so auto suggests (= Navigation) a path how to drive or walk towards end, via all the routepoints. Trying to follow existing roads if known by the used gps routable map ! So the suggested trackresults by app's or gps's depends on differences in the used routable maps.


Used with a nonroutable map (Locus native) these routepoints are simply connected with (longer) straight lines.

Routepoints in Locus are indicated with downwards pointing red arrows.


.tcx Courses use trackpoints similar as in .gpx tracks. Additonaly in a .tcx file there are also Coursepoints. A kind of Waypoints, but now "hard connected" to one unique excisting trackpoint pro Coursepoint. Coursepoints, seen as ontrack "fat dots" in Locus, and used for excact point to point Navigation/Guiding along track.


.tcx Navigational Guiding: As the track is consumed, each trackpoint one by one eaten up, only once, by the moving gps unit. And if there excist a Trackpoint <-> Coursepoint connection, this Coursepoint info is used to instruct the user. Or by tts or onscreen text notify or by a sound alert tone.


Willy.

photo
1

Good idea Willy. It can be confusing following old topics (> 1 month ago) with everyone using different terminology to discuss the same things, or same terms for different things. A few improvements to the already excellent online manual could reduce the number of tickets. However it would seem your terminology is "ahead" of where Locus is at the present time. A few other Android GPS apps do navigate the way you propose.

photo
photo
1

come on guys :)

Topic was: widget -> add point -> this point was not in a list view

Menion: add another fifth tab with list of attached waypoints. That's all


...an you talk episodes.. :o)

photo
1

Thanks gynta. I'm with small smile and greater "fear" watch this quite simple topic.


Guys, think what you want, but for me exists only points (simple lan/lon/alt) that create track and waypoints (all others - navigation/added during record by "Add waypoint", etc). Thanks ALL :).


So hope that list of waypoints is clear now. Uff ... not you may continue in long discussions about various tracklocpointwaypoints. Enjoy it. And btw. do not forget to vote. Please use also negative votes, because these are maybe even more improtant as it may shows that something is wrong with "certain" idea. Oh, back to topic .. so waypoints ... :)

photo
1

+1

Always funny how things can get out of hand in a forum ;)

Sure, it's importing to be clear about the terms when talking about these things, but perhaps we should take that elsewhere. Regarding this idea of mine, I totally agree with Menion's proposal and hope it'll be enough votes for him to put those 2-3 days into this.

photo
1

Agree Ingo...this help desk is not the best place for general gps talk. Forum PM is a much better place: "Tomorrow, ok? But you could for it anyway, deal? ;) ?" No answer. I am member 0709 in forum easy to find. Same name. Anyway no problem Ingo; deal: Voted already + (my vote nr 6) ;-)

photo
photo
1

@ 0709


In GPX Schema


wpt Type - wpt represents a waypoint, point of interest, or named feature on a map.

rte Type - rte represents route - an ordered list of waypoints representing a series of turn points leading to a destination.

trk Type - trk represents a track - an ordered list of points describing a path.


Start.


.gpx Track (trk): The connecting line between several trackpoints (trktp).


Waypoints (wpt) are free independent (Track or Route) points, they do not belong to (Track or Route) or are not hard connected to any track ( or trackpoint) . Free to be placed on the map anywhere, or be used as POI(WPT) point.

Selected Waypoints and tracks can be mixed "to travel together" into one single merged .gpx file to share, but have in fact nothing in common.


.gpx Routes: a start and stop point and the where to go to "via" routepoints (rtetp).


So Track is composed trackpoints, Route is composed routepoints , not waypoint, only rtept is similar to waypoint


To be used in combination with routable maps. A mobile gps system with a routable map so auto suggests (= Navigation) a path how to drive or walk towards end, via all the routepoints.


Trying to follow existing roads if known by the used gps routable map ! So the suggested trackresults (not trackpoint , Only routepoint) by app's or gps's depends on differences in the used routable maps.


Used with a nonroutable map (Locus native) these routepoints are simply connected with (longer) straight lines. (it is not routepoint , waypoint) Here waypoint is target-point WPT to WPT

Routepoints in Locus are indicated with downwards pointing red arrows.


**


.tcx Courses is not mentioned in gpx schema, maybe route , not track

courses are similar to route , so coursepoints are similar to routepoints


"Navigation/Guiding along track" is route. It is only using "track" , not track

Track is not leading to a destination. Only Route is leading to a destination.

Track is a path to travelled, Route is a path to go (or travelling)

photo
1

Ok wkdl, noticed. And Yes, understand, also my Garmin (edge) knows Navigation by "track".


A .tcx file in notepad: see <Trackpoint>. Anyway .tcx (Garmin) = NOT .gpx. Only point to some simularity. Further talk ? Only Pse via PM forum easy to find: "0709" Regards Willy.

photo
1

Ok 0709, but not easy, I am not fluent in english.

photo
photo
1

I came here because, as Ingo Rau, I recorded a track with the widget and used to add waypoints using the button on the widget to mark locations that I wanted to rembember. I use this function to track my movements when taking photos, to geotag them afterwards.


Actually I though the button on the widget was adding "normal" waypoints (i.e. not binded with the track) and was astonished to not find them in the Points list!

If editing those waypoints is not available yet, maybe you can add an option to add "normal" waypoints using the widget button?

photo
1

Hello virtualdj,


this is currently not possible as this widget is focused on track record. Such feature require special widget and for this I suggest to vote here http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/allow-widget-to-create-point-without-starting-track

photo
1

Hi Menion and thanks, I voted the suggested feature.

Even though I was able to extract and rename my points using GPX Editor on the PC, I still would like if you will implement a faster way to edit and export the named waypoints inside a track directly on Locus Pro.

A list similar to the manual waypoints would be great.

photo
1

Have a look here: http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/allow-widget-to-create-point-without-starting-track

Shortcuts provide great solution that can be used by any launcher and many other tools.

photo
1

@ virtualdj & Ingo. Because of my phone with older android (no widget) I dit not use or test the widget record function. Now a very quick short test with tablet Kit Kat .


The recorded track and (normal) waypoints (wpt) you see in Data->tracks-> "my tracks" in database is a merged file. Export this file in .gpx and reimport file in Locus let you split up into track and a POI map and yep....here are the waypoints. No need to use that fine pc "gpx editor" program. Free to edit/delete or change icon waypoints in the POI folder as wanted. (workaround until better solution by Menion)

New Problem: Exporting the result as a new (re)merged file in .gpx format is not suported by Locus. Was already some time ago reported I think by "balloni55".


@ Ingo. The recorded Waypoints (wpt) and Icon (arrow) are not the same as in the above picture "panorama.png". Those big black points there where representing<Coursepoints>. Missing record widget on my mobile caused the many questions and some little misunderstanding.

photo
1

@0709

Yes, you're right. But exporting and re-importing is also a tedious solution/workaround.

But thank you for pointing it out, I didn't realize it. By the way, is it possible to import the waypoints only from the merged file?

photo
1

I do not think. But you're free to delete or hide the track and or "only" save (export) the waypoints in one new file (gpx). Just give it try to precisely find out. Willy.

photo
photo
1

Hi Menion!

Just a quick getting-back to this:

You sounded very positive to this idea (and it's not too complicated if I understand you correctly), but so far it's still "Collecting votes". Is it not enough votes for the effort or is it just to low in priority?

Thx!

photo
1

I think it is not a too much complicated, correct. At least really basic list to start. Anyway for unknown reason, I have quite too much side work. Main delay is caused by change of design, which for my own surprise, took me completely whole January and still there is a lot work to do. I count with this feature, do not worry. Anyway reminding "when it will be done" is always good, because I'm able to forget without problem :).

photo
1

:)

That's good to know, as some people are the opposite and get annoyed when you ask too often. Me for example ;)

photo
photo
1

I just want to ping this for Menion to be aware of that dealing with WAYPOINTs and manipulating them (adding, editing) even AFTER a track finished recording, is in high demand.

Thanks.

See also here:

http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/edit-track-creation-of-waypoints

photo
1

Hello


Nice idea.

If this will be implemented, make sure, that I can choose multiple different points also in the map directly.

In a list of points, I do not know which is what point.

Or there will be a small preview of the point in the map besides the list.

photo
1

*bump up* ;)

Is this still planned? Any hope of this (and perhaps http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/edit-track-creation-of-waypoints) being started in the near future?

photo
1

Those interested in this idea seem to manually add points in their tracks and thus might also be interested to have their names displayed in the chart, see http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/show-name-of-named-points-in-track-chart

photo
1

Is your suggestion in latest beta 3.20.1.X. Menion - mark this topic as fixed?

aa2a62ff78f74d9a1d459ae0bd21070c

photo
1

Is there a beta for pro? Or just the free version?

photo
2

Beta version is only for "Free" version of Locus anyway to not limit to feature only available in "Free" version, Beta version works as full featured "Locus Map Pro" (except widget and maybe few more tiny limits).


@Andrew Heard: if Ingo and others are satisfied, I'll gladly mark it as "Completed". Anyway I've expected some critics and additional requests ;). We will see once this feature gets to wide public ...

photo
1

3.21.: Great, thank you for this early Christmas present! :)

I especially like that you can also add points - makes http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/edit-track-creation-of-waypoints more or less redundant.

Two things, however:

- When creating a new waypoint, there's the line Location, which is set to "Map center". When I tap it, I just get an orange error message "Action not possible. Point not stored in database" (which is correct, of course, I'm trying to create it...). Shouldn't the usual location selection dialog appear?

- It's not easy to convert an existing point to a waypoint. If the location selection dialog would work, I could at least choose another point from the database. Even better would be that tapping on the round "+" opens the menu

o "New point"

o "From database"

Choosing the latter would let me choose from points and then copy name and icon of the original point.

Doable?

photo
1

+1 - same results for me


when adding a new waypoint should compute source recompute the route?

if waypoints could be dragged to reorder compute source could recompute the route.

photo
1

@Andrew:

This topic was always specifically meant for "simple" waypoints, not navigation waypoints (navpoints) - of course they can be edited, too, but it shouldn't be assumed that the waypoints in the list have anything to do with navigation by default..

What you're proposing would make the whole thing unnecessarily complicated. Especially, I wanted something general, not related to navigation.

photo
1

No worries Ingo. I just checked this whole topic but can't see any mention of "simple" or "navigation". Sorry. At present as far as I can tell, there is still no way to alter waypoints in a route & have it recalculated. Was just an idea.

photo
1

OK, sorry, you're right, it was only implied by me ;)

I was just a little weary of the fact that so much (new) functionality recently was about navigation - which is great, but sometimes this led to "special" functionality instead of something more general (ex. "Convert to navigation waypoint", when there's still not possibility to convert to a "simple" waypoint). I kinda feared that the new waypoint list might get re-purposed for navigation - but waypoint have so much more uses than just navigation "hints".

photo
photo
1

Hi Menion,

I would like to push this again, just in case it got lost over the holidays ;) I wrote in a reply above about what is imho a bug: Tapping on the "Location" line doesn't work. The other point in my post is a feature request, I understand if you don't want to put more work into this. But the Location selection dialog should really work, I think.

Apart from that thx a lot for the new screen!

photo
1

Error message appears when adding new waypoint and clicking on Location: "Action not possible. Point not stored in database".

Shouldn't the location selection dialog appear?

photo
1

Hello Ingo, guys,

thanks, issue with orange "Point not in database", will be fixed in next version.


About option to add new points a) new or b) by copy from existing point, I'm not sure if this is really needed. have to think about it

photo
1

3.21.1: Problem fixed, thx.

Additional button would be nice, but now we can "import" existing point, so there are definitely more important things. Glad to have this finally working! Thx again!

photo
1

Sorry, Menion, just found another (actual) bug here:

When you create a new waypoint and change the icon, the icon is not saved. Once the waypoint is created and you edit it, changing the icons works fine.

photo
1

And I just had an idea for an easy compromise concerning "new waypoint from existing point": Forget the extra button, but what about using name and icon in the edit screen when you choose an existing point? Should be simple and intuitive. Probably should only replace default name/icon, not if you already entered something.

Whatcha think?

photo
1

Problem with icon happen with latest version 3.21.1? Hmm, can't simulate it.


You simply tap "+" button, just change icon and tap on top "Save" button and when back in list of waypoints, icon is not saved?


By your idea ... you mean using "target button > Points" in edit screen of new waypoint, that is currently used only for editing of coordinates? Not a bud idea, it will change how this button works only here, while in all other places it remains same. I'll think about adding existing points to tracks, there should be simple solution.

photo
1

So strange - tried it again with the icon and works, can't reproduce what I wrote above. I definitely had it with 3.21.1, but well, perhaps was just a kind of "glitch after update" ;)

And yeah, that's what I meant with my idea. Happy you agree there should be an easy wa to add existing point :))

photo
1

Oki, so expect something like this in next version:


b67b50c8d9d67d2adc878b4b4aae6a8c

photo
1

Exactly what I imagined in the first place - great, thx!

photo
1

I notice when I add a new waypoint in 3.21.1 Pro the icon is initially wrong (below icon should be default red down arrow), but when I refresh the screen, by edit, or add new point, the icon is then fixed:

935e842fdd34f6c62821798dfb1a8f36

photo
1

Well, that's more or less what I experienced, although I always changed the icon - until I couldn't reproduce it any. But looks like there's somthing fishy going on here...

photo
1

Yes, similar problem finally happen to me too, but quite randomly. I'll be watching it anyway it looks that it is really cosmetic problem, because icon is correctly stored to point itself, so not a big problem.

photo
1

I'm using V3.21.1 and I also experience the "Missing Icons" problem.

I created a route using MapQuest to auto-route along roads.

If the route is displayed on the map, "Tracks > My Tracks > My Route > Waypoints" will display all waypoint icons.

If the route is NOT displayed on the map, "Tracks > My Tracks > My Route > Waypoints" will not display waypoint icons. If I edit a waypoint and then exit the editing screen (no actual modifications are required) the waypoints list now displays icons.

photo
1

Thanks Taras D!! This helped. I believe main issue here should be fixed now. We will see in next version.


Damn, I have a mess in handling icons in Locus Map, shame on me ...

photo
photo
1

Something I've noticed with this new feature is that you can't select and delete/edit mulitple waypoints. You can only delete one at a time. Would it be possible to add this in? In the past I've created tracks and used waypoints but then deleted them because they're no longer used and clog up the map but it takes ages to delete them one by one which resulted in me avoiding the function altogether...

photo
1

Good day Jimmy,

not a simple task on evening, sorry. Agree it may be useful, but for now, I do not plan any multi-edit-delete feature here.

photo
1

@jimmyfromthepieshop:

I support your idea. As it's not "a quick one", as Menion says, I propose you create it as new idea - perhaps demand is high enough to make Menion more likely to implement it.

And this topic is already marked as Completed, so would be less confusing - I think it's ok to discuss bugs here (like the location selection dialog and the icon problem), but adding requests makes it a little chaotic (and yes, I know, I'm guilty here, too... ;)

photo
1

@jimmyfromthepieshop

I encourage you to submit this Idea. I would vote for the ability to edit/delete multiple waypoints. Ideally, Waypoints would have an action menu similar to the one in Tracks. You could control visibility, sorting, filtering, etc.

be853332d5d452fa24d8c1701a0c9516

Definitely a lot of development work involved so perhaps a feature for V3.5+.

photo