Bosch connect KIOX integration

Michael shared this idea 6 years ago
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Hi,

any plans to connect with Bosch Connect (Kioks/Nyon).


Cheers

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Hello Michael,

as I quickly check, we speak about a special eBike device right? There are no direct plans to connect such specialized hardware, sorry.

Jiří M. aka Menion

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Hey Menion,


thanks for your quick reply.

Well is not really special It's very wide spreaded like garmin and polar that you support.

Therefore I'm wondering why it's not support because is leading the eBike scene as Pedelec supplier.

I think a bt connect interface would be just enough to query a few information like speed, heart rate, cadence and transfer the GPS date of the route to Locus.

https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/produkte/kiox/


cheers

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Hello,

I'm trying to find out if this is really possible and I see that direct connection from Android device is currently used only with their own Android application. I see here a big difference compare to existing POLAR etc support. These various sensors are directly made as a source of data for other apps, so they use the standard BT interface. WIth Bosch Kiox it is different. It is already a final product that consume data from other sensors and I'm not sure that any 3rd party app may simply connect and read it's data.

So sorry, for now, I do not think it will be done in the near future. Thanks for understanding.

Menion

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Hey Menion,


sorry for my late response.

For clarification: with KIOX you can't navigate.

It's about to connect both apps Locus Map and Bosch eBike Connect to transfer routing (track) information to LocusMap. I.e Komoot does this already.


But It seems you understood it already. Maybe it's needed to get in contact with Bosch.

Cheers

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Hi Menion,


I reopen this topic as I have bought a brand new VAE using the latest KIOX system which is now able to display navigation on it.

Currently, Bosch eBike Connect (the application provided by Bosch for their systems) can be connected via bluetooth with a smartphone containing a navigation system (Locus Maps for us) and displays the navigation instructions directly on the KIOX screen.

They are currently providing the connection to the 'Komoot' application.


Maybe they have developped an API which allows to get navigation instructions from navigation systems to display it on their screen, and it will be nice to have this kind of feature so we can connect our Locus Maps application directly.


Can you get in touch with Bosch to be able to connect to Locus Maps in their Bosch eBike Connect application?


So maybe it will be possible to connect also Locus Maps and not only 'Komoot' to their application.


Regards,

Laurent

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Hello Laurent,

thanks for extra information. We plan to invest a time to a lot better support for sensors & e-bikes next year 2021.

Menion

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Hi Menion,


Thanks for your answer.


I think that the connection used by the Bosch Kiox is both ways, that means that you can retrieve information from the Bosch Kiox as speed, cadence, and input some data to it as the navigation information.


If you have a look at the Bosch displays here, if you put your mouse on the 'i' icon next to 'Third-party apps' you can see that there are already many smartphone applications.


So hopefully next year we can get something intersting with Locus Map and Bosch e-bikes and probably other e-bikes systems.

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Seconding this. Any news?

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Hi Menion,


Any news about le Boch eBike connection ?

I have seen that you have released a new version of the App which is version 4, but the eBike connection is still missing.

This is more than 8 months that I do not use Locus Map anymore as I have conflicts with the GPS sharing between Locus Map Pro and the Bosch eBike app with Bluetooth connection.

I have downloaded instead Komoot as it is fully compatible with Bosch eBike App. I use it everytime I go out for a ride and have event paid the 29€ for the world map.

I would really like to go back to Locus Map, v4 and even pay for the gold member to get access to every functionnality, but the Bosch eBike is still missing.

Do you have any plans ? Any date when the application will be compatible with Bosch eBike App ?


Thanks

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Hello Laurent,

I do not like promises so I won't do that. Anyway right now I'm working on completely new system for work with sensors. Once, all current sensors will work, next step is support for Power meter and improvements in dashboard. Support for additional sensors, eBikes etc may comes later. It will anyway depends on few factors, also complexity of implementation. This anyway needs to be examined first.

Menion

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Hello Menion,


I come back to you regarding this thread.


Have you been able to implement the new system for sensors?

Do you have a plan for eBike sensors too? And when?


Hope to hear good news soon from you.


Thanks,

Laurent

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Hi,


let me bump this one 😀


Currently I've to use Komoot for planning my bike tours as this is the only app able syncing with the Bosh systems, in my case the Nyon. I really don't like Komoot and want to use LocusMaps for this. For details see:


https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/news/bosch-ebike-systems-close-cooperation-with-komoot


Cheers

Matthias

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Hi Matthias,


You have exactly the same issue as me and This is a long time I am waiting for this wonderfull app to be fully compatible with eBikes systems (and precisely with Bosch eBike system in our case).

I also use Komoot for the moment and this is not as simple as with the Locus Map app. The worst is when you want to change a trip, the points are going everywhere instead of the road you want to define.

The whole system is not as friendly as the Locus Map app and I can't wait to get Locus Map compatible with eBike systems.


I am glad you are also pushing to get this app compatible with Bosch eBike.


Hoping to get this compatibility soon.


Cheers,

Laurent

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Hi guys,

you probably noticed that we did a completely new "Sensors manager" last year. This was the first step necessary for this task. This year, we really would like to give e-bikes a lot higher priority and start working (somehow) on their better support. I won't rather promise anything, because we still have a few tasks with higher priority in a row. But I just wanted to inform, you that this is something we will focus hopefully soon.

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I also jump on this train , I use Locus for many years now and love it everytime more.

Now I also have an Ebike with Bosch system and would like to use Locus with this.

I would love to see Locus with Bosch integration, Komoot is no option for me for now.

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Hi Menion and Locus Map developpers,


Any news on this topic ?

This has been a while since we didn't get any news about the new 'Sensors manager' with addition to support e-Bike connections.


Thanks for your update on this

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Hello Laurent,

unfortunately, Dashboard & e-bike tasks have to be moved to the next year 2023 because of more important tasks (problems with the Wear platform, geocaching, LoPoints support, ..).

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Hello Menion,


Any news about the implementation of connections between Locus Map and Bosch eBikes ?

(and also other kind of eBikes probably)


I hope this is really going to be a reality in 2023.


Let me know how it goes on your side.


Thanks

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Hi guys,

thanks for the push. I'm searching for some news regards the possibility to connect to Bosch devices directly, but it seems, it is still not simply possible.

We will be finalizing plans for this year next week, so I'll open this topic. It will most probably need some extra communication with the Bosch team. Unfortunately.

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Hello, I would also be very interested in the integration of data such as range, possible support level, selected mode, pedal rotation, etc. from the Bosch Flow app in the dashboard. I find the display of the Komoot screen in the Bosch Flow app very bad, as it cannot even be zoomed while driving. In general, I can't get much out of Komoot, I find Locus better by classes.

Greetings

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3 years is long time to make a deal with Bosch 😀 Komoot and Strava did it 😀

Will be fine to have this service !

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Hi there, I'm also on the fence - waiting for Locus to be included into the Bosch system for route planing etc. Hopefully you get that task done soon. 👍

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me too

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Me too! Spending that much for a good eBike I would like to also use a good navigation- app on it.

I have long avoided to switch to komoot, but now it gets harder for me to stick with locus...

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There are news?

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Hi everyone,


I just leave another comment on this topic to get news about when we will have compatibility between Locus Map and Bosch eBike system.


This is way long that you said it is under investigation but so far nothing. You have provided compatibility with another eBike brand from the US (Specialized) but not one from the EU, however the Locus Map app is from EU.


This is a very long time that we are waiting for this compatibility, so do you 'really' have plans to make it for Locus Map or shall we all go to Komoot/Strava ?


Thank you for your clarification on this point.

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It seems there is an API and a SDK from Bosch, though it is only available on request if I get it correctly?

https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/company/industry-solutions/cloud-api-ebike-sdk

I am buying an e-bike with Kioks and would like to have an option to use Locus with it. These bikes tend to be quite expensive, so people buing them probably have the means to pay for Locus subscription, maybe there is a business case there :-).

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Hello Tomáši,

thanks for the info.

Seems to be quite a new. I've contacted the Bosch team now and will inform here, if I get something useful to share with you.

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I hope you solve this soon. Because we need this and we have been waiting for it for a long time. Thank you

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Thank You. I would be be the first user to opt-in.

Currently the only working integration is with Komoot so far and that's a pain. And will probably get even worse after Komoot being taken over by Bending spoons.

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I look forward to your positive response

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Hi everyone,

Quick update on this long-standing topic — we now have experimental support for the Bosch eBike Smart System (smart-system v19+) in the latest Locus Map beta. It connects directly to the bike over Bluetooth (no cloud, no Bosch account needed) using the same Live Data Interface that the Bosch Flow App talks to.

What works right now (live during the ride in Sensors manager):

  • Battery state of charge (%)
  • Speed
  • Cadence (pedal rotation)
  • Rider power (W)
  • Odometer

What's not exposed by the Bosch protocol on this channel:

  • Assist mode / support level (Eco / Tour / eMTB / Turbo) — Bosch deliberately doesn't broadcast it on the BLE interface, so this is not something we can add without their cooperation
  • Range in km — only battery % is available; range estimation would have to come from a different Bosch data source
  • Ride history / Komoot-style activity sync — separate cloud-side project (we're talking to Bosch about it)

How to try it (smart-system v19+ only — Kiox 500, Nyon, Performance Line CX displays from ~2022 onwards):

  1. In the Bosch **Flow App** → *Add component* → *Smartphone* → follow the confirmation flow on the bike's display.
  2. In **Android Bluetooth settings**, pair the bike (Just-Works, completes silently).
  3. In **Locus Map** → *Sensors* → *Add device* → *e-bikes* → "Bosch eBike" → pick your bike from the list.

If the bike isn't paired in steps 1+2, the connection looks fine but no data arrives. Both steps are mandatory — that's a Bosch limitation, not a Locus one.

Help us by capturing diagnostics if you try it:

Since none of us own a smart-system v19+ bike in-house, we built this against the reverse-engineered protocol from the Home Assistant community. Any real-world capture is gold. In the sensor settings sheet, toggle "Enable raw capture" (visible only on beta builds). Use the bike normally for 10–15 min. Then attach the `/Locus/Logs/sensor_Bosch*_<timestamp>.log` file to a reply here, with one or two sentences on what you saw vs what the bike's display said. We'll replay the capture, fix any quirks, and ship a follow-up.

Thanks for the help and patience.

Jiří M. aka Menion

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Hm, I have had my phone and Flow app paired with my bike for four months. Are steps 1 and 2 still necessary? I do not see a "smartphone" option in step 1 (see screenshot). And then Locus Map does not find anything.


I have Kiosk 300, which should be the same as Kiosk 500, just smaller display.


By the way, I guess I misunderstood. For me the main application was to be to use Locus Maps to push routes and navigation to the display. But now looking at it more closely, this is not really possible in principle, or is it?

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Hi Tomas, yes, this is currently not about connecting to Bosch servers. This part heavily depends on Bosch itself and they still ignore our attempts for email communication.

What this change brings is a direct connection of Locus Map running on Android device over Bluetooth to the bike itself. Then app may read mentioned data and allows to display them on the Locus Map dashboard.

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Hm, and any idea why it will not connect? I installed the Beta? I cannot get past step 1, there is no "smartphone component"

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Hello Tomáš,

maybe the description in my post is incorrect. Key is to have bike and smartphone paired. If you have it, give a try to connect Locus Map to the bike.

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Hm, Locus just does not see it then:

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Understand, thanks. Seems we will have to brought a bike for testing ... 😶

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Finally. Well done. Can't wait to test it.

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Thanks for looking into this. I was so looking forward to test it, unfortunately I had to find out this solution is not working for my Kiox. (https://www.bosch-ebike.com/de/produkte/displays#product-1262). Pity :(

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