Locus Map for Garmin - new app for Garmin devices

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Hello!

on behalf of WearSoft and with cooperation with Locus Map team, I want to introduce you new application which enables you to benefit from advanced features of Locus Map while using your Garmin device.

With Locus Map for Garmin you can:

- display real-time data on your Garmin from Locus Map running on your smartphone:

--- navigation

--- guidance

--- track recording

--- device status (battery, GPS.. )

- record activities, provide their statistics and store them on Garmin Connect

- render maps stored on your Garmin device (on supported devices)

- import routes from your smartphone to your Garmin to navigate them with Garmin activity apps (on devices supporting navigation features)

Please let us know what you think! I am here to answer all your questions.

Jan

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Start with Locus Map for Garmin here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.wearsoft.locus.addon.ciq

Learn about all features from user guide here: https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:add-ons:locusforgarmin

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very interesting, could you make it compatible for the fenix 5 plus and the edge 1030, please :D

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Hi, Fenix 5 Plus compatilibity will be added in few days after the end of first round of public BETA testing. Partial compatibility with EDGE devices is planned for the future.

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This sounds really promising. I already installed companion app and waiting for vívoactive3 support :-)

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Any chance for support in older devices like Fenix 3 or Garmin Epix?


I know that Garmin abandoned their support but why I need to switch to new very expensive device when older also work great.

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Hello icpart, it is currently unknown whether we will be able to provide compatibility also for those older devices, which were left with CIQ 1. But for your second questions the answer is easy. They may work great, but you can't expect that they will get too much new stuff on them, because they have very limited hardware and doesn't have much system resources to run more complex applications. Unfortunately Locus Map is already complex enough, that Fenix 3 is not able to run it. We don't know yet, whether we will be able to provide some simplified version for this old devices yet. One thing is sure, we definitely didn't yet closed this topic.

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Hi Jan. I have own Garmin Epix and also it is very capable device compared to Fenix 3 but Garmin stop to support it with early versions of IQ compared to Fenix 3 in advantage of it. It will be great for example that Locus for Garmin to support basic functionality for older devices like remote control to choose start recordings of track or change recording profiles, simple odometer and if it ever possible to export somehow course to watch which will be best option at all.You are right somewhat that I can't except from that device to support all new features but in hardware history of all modern electronics manufactures limit their software support of advance to sell you new models with new OS or improved firmware. Like example my old Galaxy S is supposed to run well with Android 5.0 and last versions of LocusMap. If I sticked with original 2.8.2 this will never will be happen to run last version of Locus.

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You are right, Epix is much more capable than Fenix 3, we will definitely check in near future, if we will be able to add support for it with later versions. It should be much easier to add it to compatibility list than Fenix 3.

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Ah, but I forgot how old CIQ version Epix have and why I even didn't put it to my initial consideration. Now I reminded myself that it lack some critical functionality from Connect IQ platform, which drastically reduce possibility that support of Locus Map would be possible. :-/

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Thanks Jan for all your efforts. I am Garmin fan from almost 14 years and I hated them what they did with lack of any software support with Epix compared to their competitive model Fenix 3.

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Hi Jan, it seems to be very interesting. Unfortunately I have to wait for the version for Garmin Vivoactive HR. I hope it comes soon! :-) Thank you in advance.

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Hi jg_bm, I think you should check latest version of the app. ;)

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Hello, checkout the new version which now supports a lot more devices!

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Nice, works on vivoactive3.


Now I have to read documentation to figure out how it works :-)


Thank you!!!

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All tips how to do it more straight forward are welcomed. :) Its no easy task to pack such amount of features to small devices some even without buttons. :-o Premium version helps here as it auto-hides all unnecessary screens for given mode.

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Sure, I agree. I can imagine how hard it is to do it right.

It just need some time to play with it :-)

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Hi Jan, thank you for your message. Unfortunately it´s not compatible with vivoactive HR, only with vivoactive 3. Could you make it compatible with vivoactive HR? Please :-)

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Hi, well Vivoactive HR has quite unusual screen, so it require some more work. We will try but no promises yet!

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Hi,

this is absolutely what I was waiting for, thanks for the effort.

Route import works flawlessly but are there any plans to add point import into the app?

Thanks a lot.

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Thanks for the feedback! Waypoints import is considered, but not on our priority list right now. I suggest to create new post under this category to start receiving votes from another users who would like to see this implemented and we will see the demand!

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Hi,

is there any experience on battery usage available for the Fenix 5x plus? If the app on the fenix is not in use, just installed and "waiting" in the background like any other app which is installed on the fenix 5x+.


Reason for the question that I updated the firmware to 7.1 from 6.72 beta and have the feeling that the battery % is going down faster than before with the beta firmware and the only change - beside the firmware update - is the locus app on the fenix 5x+


Best regards,

Claus

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Hello Claus, if the app is not running it can't have any impact on battery usage of Garmin device as it doesn't have any background processes.

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Hi Jan,

many thanks for your quick reply! This is a helpfull information!

Best regards,

Claus

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Hi, I've registered Locus Map for Garmin... when I try to send a track to vivoactive 3 the dialog is shown on garmin device "Locus Map starten? " After clicking Yes an error message is shown for less than a second before the dialog disappear: Downloading Course... and the garmin hangs up. The words from the error message that I can read are: Failed connection... Device...


Reinstall both of the apps on garmin and on mobile device ending with the same...


Is this a knowing bug or can you help me?


BTW: if I start Locus Map on Garmin the connection to the mobile device app is ok. I see the normal data.

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Hello Jurgen, thanks for the feedback! Vivoactive3 doesn't support importing tracks as it is not capable to use it with any native applications. But of course, you should get clear message about this when you try to do import, so we will try to fix it for next release. Glad to hear that the rest works for you!

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This answered my future question. From this thread I understand, that vivoactive3 does not support maps and navigation.

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Hello, version 0.9.1 of Garmin app was just uploaded. It should now properly report error message about device compatibility if you try to import course on unsupported devices, like vivoactive3. Would you please be so kind to confirm me, that it behaves better now? Thanks

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Hello Jan, it works... "Course import FAILED Not supported by this device" - but can you briefly explain why it is possible to send routes to vivoactive 3 with the apps dynamicwatch and r.485? What is the difference?

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Thanks Jurgen. The difference is that these apps imports tracks with reduced details into their own very limited storage and do navigation based on this data by its own. In case of Locus Map the navigation can be driven directly by Locus Map in phone, which brings lots of benefits, like seamless route recalculation if you leave the original course. Import track via Locus Map do import to system courses storage which devices with native navigation have (Fenix watches etc.). That means that users can use it with their preferred apps and don't suffer from limits of your mentioned apps.

Thanks for this question, I see that this topic is not completely clear, we will think how to explain this better to users.

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Hello Jan, thanks a lot... maybe my next birthday desire will be a Fenix :)

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Don't need to be! I am confident, that navigation via Locus Map is better than the one available on Fenix 5 natively. And we are not done yet. ;)

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Hi Jan, thank you for making the app compatible to garmin vivoactive HR. For the moment I have just downloaded the Preview version.

I tried to navigate, but there is no direction sign on display, only "?". Will it works with the premium version, or is there anything wrong with my configuration?

And, is it possible to display and zoom maps on garmin display like the app "locus map watch"?

Regards

Am 7. Mai 2019 18:40:22 MESZ schrieb Locus Map <locus.map@asamm.com>:

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Hi, yes, the nav will work on premium, that is one of the limitation of preview version. Everything what is in orange color is static on preview mode. We are currently doing analysis if showing map will be possible in the future, but can't promise anything yet.

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As a (reasonable...) Garmin addict, my current watch is the fenix 2 (not compatible, I know), and my next will probably be its logic successor, the Garmin Instinct, at this day :)

Any chance to have it communicating too with my (irreplaceable) Locus Map Pro ?

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Hi Sylvain, Garmin Instinct is quite far from being successor to Fenix line. It unfortunately doesn't even have Connect IQ, so no third party apps at all incl. Locus Maps. I think it would be better to reconsider your choice. ;)

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"far from being successor to Fenix line": I agree, and I am happy of that because I don't like where the fenix line goes (since the model 3). But all I have said is that the Instinct was the logic successor of the fenix 2, not the others ... ;)

Anyway, thank you for the info for me that it will not be possible, but no problem, it is very secondary, for me.

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In this case you may be right. It is unfortunate, that Garmin didn't bring Connect IQ platform to Instinct line. This will cause lots of confusion among their customers.

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Hello all, past week was busy. We released more versions during these days. But you can now enjoy (version 1.1.0):

- much more supported devices (check it here: https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:add-ons:locusforgarmin#devices_compatibility)

- new disclaimer screen to advise how to see more data screens

- updated preview mode

- and lots of smaller fixes and layout improvements

Enjoy and if you spot some issue, don't hesitate to let me know!

Jan

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Will it be compatible with bigger devices like Oregon or Montana or Monterra ?

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Hi, we definitely want to introduce at least partial compatibility even for bigger devices with Connect IQ, but there are some technical challenges due to limitations on Garmin side which need to be evaluated with them first. So can't promise anything yet.

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I have a Montana 600 too, but I know the (negative) answer, as it is not Connect IQ friendly...

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I've spent a week on Korsika (GR20) with Locus & Fenix 5+.


I was thinking about what I do really miss and how do I use my gear. I've easily downloaded LoMaps, but it was impossible to get any kind of topomap with elevation data for Garmin. Moreover searching for two maps for two devices took some time.


I got an idea: it should be possible to transform LoMaps to Garmin format. And then use the app to upload the LoMaps from phone to Garmin device. It's not necessary to do it via bluetooth or wifi, wired connection (OTG) would be sufficient.

New idea: https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/lomaps-for-garmin-devices

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This would be a GREAT feature!!!!


For hiking I do not need a "turn by turn" guiding. If I am using an exisiting track which I follow, than I would like to specify a "hotspot" area of 25m, 50m, 100m or maybe 200m for example and if I am away from the track by this "hotspot" I am getting a signal (vibration). On top I would like to have a feature "detour", so if I follow a given track but decide to change it than I press a button "detour" to avoid permanent warnings. Also I would like to follow a given track but store at the same time the track I am actually walking. (on the smartphone with locus no problem).

So I do not need to check freaquently the device to see whether I am on track or not.

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Hello guys, thanks for the ideas!

We are planning to deliver LoMaps in some form on screen of some Garmin devices, but don't expect same user experience as with native maps as we are limited by possibilities of this platform. To know more you have to wait for now as we don't want to make any promises before it is baked according to our expectations.

Converting LoMaps to Garmin format to be read by device in native apps is not possible. Garmin devices aren't capable to render such map.

Jan - WearSoft

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>>Converting LoMaps to Garmin format to be read by device in native apps is not possible. Garmin devices aren't capable to render such map.


And OSM maps works perfectly in Garmin units, once converted in .img format. I do that here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for the Montana 600 I use in my car, and for an eTrex 30 too. And with MapSource or BaseCamp...

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Ok, I will correct myself - it is not possible to render such pregenerated map on Garmin to look the same as LoMaps in Locus Map. Thus, we are not talking about bringing LoMaps to Garmin, but creating some different map. And I am afraid this is not in options for Locus Map team.


To get LoMap to screen of Garmins, you will have to wait what our discussed Garmin addon will bring.

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I know http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl . It's useless in mountains since it lacks contour lines (elevation data). Some areas are not covered and overall user experience with OSM on Garmin devices is poor (especially in compare with LocusMap).


Download - convert - throw cat into a well or do some other woodoo - upload.


EDIT: Petr Voldán just clearly declined the idea o transforming LoMaps in https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/lomaps-for-garmin-devices

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I've a big problem. My garmin 935 can't connect to the app and it is reporting the message: please check Locus map for garmin.

Ont the app all seems OK!

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Hello, there was long-term bug on Garmin side causing the issue what you are describing. Please update your Garmin Connect to version 4.22 and Locus Map in Garmin device to 1.2.1 and let us know if the app working properly for you after that! Jan

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You can use LOF for importing waypoints and tracks as well https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=radim.outfit&hl=en_US


I was testing that in very beginning and connection was unstable, but it could have changed.

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Hello,

i am using Locus Map Pro and the pro-version of the companion app Locus Map for Garmin.

Since I already have routable maps on my Garmin Fenix ​​6X Solar, I honestly only use the app for the convenient exchange of GPX files. What I miss, though, is the ability to share points as well. I tried to export them as GPX first an then to share them with my watch, but i can't choose the companion app, if the GPX contains points instead of tracks.

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Hello Thomas,

thank you for your feedback. We will definitely take a look on waypoints import for some future releases!

Jan - WearSoft

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Ah! I tryed hard to stuff tracks with waypoints to Garmin. Only tracks appeared. That was not my mistake with wrong format or whatever.

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After some testing, this is what it's wrong on my setup"

1.Since Locus is open and navigating..there is always a notification with Guiding from Locus app(on the phone), which is updating distance to next turn very often, so I receive on my watch a ton of smart notification from this Guiding,which is blocking my interaction with the watch.

2. I do not receive notification on the watch( audio and vibration) when it's time to turn direction( only visuals on the watch)

3. The map part it's broken: doesn't turn map track up... If symbol for vehicle it's going out of the screen, the map doesn't pan and it remains fix( not updating real position).. It does not mark the route to follow on the watch screen(do not know which way to follow/ turn when in map screen) And last the zoom control is broken..doesn't update in real time, only if I change screen and then come back to the map screen.. Do not have panning controls available

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how to set map rotation during navigation on fenix 5x

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Hi, map rotation is not yet available in the app. We first want to do more tests to see if this feature will be useful considering speed of map load.

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Is it possible to run Locus Maps for Garmin as a navigation app on Forerunner 945 AND at the same time run another app on Garmin (for me it's usually "trail tun")?

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Hi Joze, no, that is not possible. Garmin doesn't have such multitasking. But you can of course record activity directly by Locus Map application in your Garmin. Then it will record exactly same data as native activity app like trail run including info from paired sensors. The only downside is, that you will not be able to see your datascreens from that native app of course. But customisation of datascreens is planned even for Locus, so hopefully even this will be partially solved then. :)

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Anyone who can share a picture of shocart (or similar type) maps using garmin forerunner 245?

Thx.

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Hi, what do you mean by "similar type"? We definitely recommend you to try LoMaps as rendering of colors on limited sreens of Garmin devices was optimised in favor for these maps.

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Hi, i meant "sqlitedb" or other then Lo"map"s. But your answer is speaking by itself. I haven't purchased garmin yet, so i can not try anything yet :) ... anyway, i am still interested about it.

Thx

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Same as you, not purchased yet... In fact, I don't really know at this time if I can choose or not a Garmin IQ thing without Garmin cartography (and cartography fonctions...), assuming my main goal is to have usable LoMaps on its screen.

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Garmin models compatibility with "phone maps" screen in Locus Map is indeed visible on compatibility table in link above.

But if you choose Garmin watch which support music OR maps from factory, it will have bigger memory available for running app. Locus Map utilise this additional memory on these devices to better cache map on screen and to allow users to activate optional enhanced map color mode. Although phone map feature is fully usable without them, they might increase user experience a little.

So for example Forerunner 245 can show map screen, but Forerunner 245 Music can do it slightly better. :)

Also, if you didn't tested Locus Map on Garmin yet, please note, that map is not updated instantly there due to technical limitations. That might be problem for some use-cases - so I would strongly suggest you to try to test the app before purchasing device "for it".

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